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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2130288" data-attributes="member: 2011">Except that they are not bigger, stronger, or faster. Most animals do not increase in size when you increase their hit dice. And if they do, that happens with normal Awaken precisely the same as with Empowered Awaken.They are smarter (Int), hardier (+2 HD), and more perceptive (if you use skill points to improve their perception type skills). But, the only thing that really increases due to Empower or Maximize is their skill points and their Int (and maybe a single point of Cha). Everything else is EXACTLY the same as normal Awaken, hence, your real problem appears to be with the Awaken spell itself since they get most of the benefits there and not from Empowered or Maximized.Think about what you are claiming. A 5th level spell is ok, but a 7th level spell is not ok because it doubles the skill points (from 2 to 4 per HD) on average (and you could do that with a lucky roll at 5th level). Huh?Also, do you want an army of SMART creatures who will question orders and have a higher propensity to stay alive at all costs, or ones who are dumber? Historically, armies have always attempted to keep the smarter people as officers and the dumber people as soldiers precisely because they do not want people disobeying orders because they are too smart.A Druid who Empower Awakens as opposed to just Awaken in order to create an army is making a mistake. His army will leave on its own quicker. A Druid who does it to have a smart creature to talk to on lonely nights in the wilderness is probably not making a mistake.</blockquote>

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