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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9331491" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This is definitely false, if you use a reasonable definition of "outshines".</p><p></p><p>If you want to be "technically correct, the best kind of correct", and you micro-measured every "contribution" from players, I'm sure you could be like "Ah yes, all four players contributed close to 25%, but actually Throknar's player contributed 27.2% so clearly they didn't contribute <em>equally</em>! < steeples fingers and smiles with complete smugness >", but that just makes you a Simpsons/Futurama character. Or me on a bad day <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>If we use "outshines" as, say, a normal human (rather than a comedy character) would use "outshines", which would mean significantly and unavoidably more of a contribution, then that's just obviously and trivially false. There are plenty of games, played every day, where, if you had to say who "contributed most" you'd have to stop and think pretty hard about it, and if you asked three different observers (not players) of the same game, you'd three different answers. Sure, there are some where that won't happen, too - especially if most of the party got downed and one guy was "clutch", but the idea that "outshining" in any reasonable sense is happening every day at every table is laughable. Like thinking of CoC recently, which we've been playing, I could not reliably say who "contributed most" to any given session, and I suspect that whoever I did list, others in the group would think it was someone else.</p><p></p><p>Even purely mechanically, very often in 5E it's very close. For a while in 2018 I tracked DPR and kills of the party, and I was really surprised at how close it was overall. If you factor in more stuff, it's only going to get closer. It's not like 3E where it was genuinely routine to see one or two PCs (almost always casters if L6 or above) completely dominate most sessions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9331491, member: 18"] This is definitely false, if you use a reasonable definition of "outshines". If you want to be "technically correct, the best kind of correct", and you micro-measured every "contribution" from players, I'm sure you could be like "Ah yes, all four players contributed close to 25%, but actually Throknar's player contributed 27.2% so clearly they didn't contribute [I]equally[/I]! < steeples fingers and smiles with complete smugness >", but that just makes you a Simpsons/Futurama character. Or me on a bad day :p If we use "outshines" as, say, a normal human (rather than a comedy character) would use "outshines", which would mean significantly and unavoidably more of a contribution, then that's just obviously and trivially false. There are plenty of games, played every day, where, if you had to say who "contributed most" you'd have to stop and think pretty hard about it, and if you asked three different observers (not players) of the same game, you'd three different answers. Sure, there are some where that won't happen, too - especially if most of the party got downed and one guy was "clutch", but the idea that "outshining" in any reasonable sense is happening every day at every table is laughable. Like thinking of CoC recently, which we've been playing, I could not reliably say who "contributed most" to any given session, and I suspect that whoever I did list, others in the group would think it was someone else. Even purely mechanically, very often in 5E it's very close. For a while in 2018 I tracked DPR and kills of the party, and I was really surprised at how close it was overall. If you factor in more stuff, it's only going to get closer. It's not like 3E where it was genuinely routine to see one or two PCs (almost always casters if L6 or above) completely dominate most sessions. [/QUOTE]
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