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Message: <blockquote data-quote="travathian" data-source="post: 6385824" data-attributes="member: 12105">And this is why it is a poor example for discussing CR/XP. An intellect devourer isn't just going to be standing there waiting for the party to show up, then leap up at one of them to attack. Duh, of course it would get squished. The reason for its CR is not due to its AC/HP/Atk, it is due to its special abilities. A lone ID in a dungeon would be hiding, stalking, seeing if a PC is dumb enough to go off on its own,waiting for an opportunity to attack.Even with two of the IDs, they still would not attack a full party of PCs on open ground in a full frontal assault.If we want to use Intellect Devourers at the full potential of the CR . . .The party stops by the inn of a small town after a long day's march. The townsfolk cheer the arrival of adventurers and speak of a nearby group of <insert monster> that has been bothering the town. The kindly innkeeper/bartender offers the PCs each their own room and all they can eat and drink tonight as incentive to help out the town tomorrow. At least a couple of the PCs get rip-roaring drunk and pass out in the bar, only to be carried up to their rooms by their fellow adventurers. The now incapacitated PCs become victims to Body Thief by the innskeeper and the bar wench, leaving the 2-3 remaining PCs to fight against their once allies.Tell me again how that is not 'beyond deadly' to a party of 2nd level PCs?</blockquote>