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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 5508458" data-attributes="member: 13107">Not a mode that I accept.&nbsp; I don't presume that survival is guaranteed, or that it justifies any action.&nbsp; (I do accept that there are other outlooks, and can reason within them, that's just not where I find myself.)&nbsp; Would I be justified in forcing another to donate blood for my operation?&nbsp; What about to donate a kidney?&nbsp; Or a heart?Mind, though, that &quot;evil&quot; is game specific.&nbsp; The best that I can use for a real example is &quot;wrong&quot; (or perhaps &quot;causing harm and to be opposed&quot;).&nbsp; I don't think that I would ever actually use the idea of absolute evil in real terms.Also, I didn't say that eating meat was evil, only that if there was no humane way to obtain the meat, then it might be evil.Going back to the Vampire example, if they could obtain blood without causing harm, then it would be no more wrong than a person having an operation accepting blood from me.&nbsp; (It would be locally harmful to me, but, I would say, globally helpful, in the balance.)&nbsp; But what if the act of draining blood had a chance to cause a ghoulish disease?&nbsp; Would that be a problem?&nbsp; What if draining blood was accompanied by a corrupting sense of euphoria, that made further acts more likely?... which goes to say, the details matter, and we don't have those details.Thx!Tom</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 5508458, member: 13107"] Not a mode that I accept. I don't presume that survival is guaranteed, or that it justifies any action. (I do accept that there are other outlooks, and can reason within them, that's just not where I find myself.) Would I be justified in [i]forcing[/i] another to donate blood for my operation? What about to donate a kidney? Or a heart? Mind, though, that "evil" is game specific. The best that I can use for a real example is "wrong" (or perhaps "causing harm and to be opposed"). I don't think that I would ever actually use the idea of absolute evil in real terms. Also, I didn't say that eating meat was evil, only that if there was no humane way to obtain the meat, [i]then[/i] it might be evil. Going back to the Vampire example, [i]if[/i] they could obtain blood without causing harm, then it would be no more wrong than a person having an operation accepting blood from me. (It would be locally harmful to me, but, I would say, globally helpful, in the balance.) But what if the act of draining blood had a chance to cause a ghoulish disease? Would that be a problem? What if draining blood was accompanied by a corrupting sense of euphoria, that made further acts more likely? ... which goes to say, the details matter, and we don't have those details. Thx! Tom [/QUOTE]

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