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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6741461" data-attributes="member: 4937">I thought that it was promoted up to co-existent only when it was promoted up from being a demiplane, and that only sometime after that did it evolve the notion that the local geography of the plane resembled the local geography of the material.  In any event, surely it is only partially coterminous and co-existent, since it is only coterminous with any plane at a point where that plane lies in shadow and only co-existent where shadows have in the past existed.  In my own conception, the plane does not merely contain the shadows that exist on the material, but all the shadows that have ever existed on the material.  Thus my comment about it being jumbled up in time and space.  Particularly combined with the idea that length and direction don't have a clear relationship to the material, I wouldn't have a problem with asserting that the local geography of the shadow plane didn't resemble the local geography of the prime.   For example, a flat salt pan on the shadow plane, would exist only as the shadows of the things that crossed over it, making it a small void of flitting flying things and not a large flat hard thing.   Where as a jungle could conceivably be represented on the shadow as a solid object of shadows accreted together like some sort of sedimentary stone.  Or the same thing could be attenuated out in time and space into a jungle shaped like vast pyramid far larger than the real jungle.  And all of this could itself be distorted or repurposed by the shadows themselves to suit their own alien needs.</blockquote>

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