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<blockquote data-quote="Hawkeye" data-source="post: 1103831" data-attributes="member: 9200"><p>I agree with all of that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[QUOTE/]You are not doubting his intelligence, education, or dedication, but you are making a serious slam against his integrity. Still, this does not affect his actual arguments. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I never doubted his integrity. He maintained his beliefs to the end despite harsh criticism from others. That is integrity. My problem, is that his skepticism seemed to be a knee-jerk reaction. Anyone who automatically denies the existence of something or automatically believes in something going into a scientific investigation is not going to have a truly objective view to review the data. Their bias will tilt them one way or the other. Its the old "judging a book by its cover". I still maintain that his primary job was working for the US government to "debunk" the UFO sightings that had normal, reasonable, relatively easy explanations for being something else besides little green men from Rigel VII. The government needed this done to assure the public that unknown aircraft were penetrating US airspace.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[QUOTE/]A scientific study must be published, and it must be made available for review by qualified individuals. In this sense, NICAP & MUFON have simply been gathering data.[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>I have not checked recently, but I believe that NICAP and MUFON do publish their studies in their own digests and make them available for review, just like any other field of science. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[QUOTE/]There is nothing to suggest that the results would be any different in form: Any event that allowed reasonable examination showed no evidence of alien activity. (That does seem to be the conclusion of your next paragraph, to be fair.) The changes in our understanding of the universe have made the alien hypothesis less likely, not more likely. [/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>I never said UFOS were caused by aliens. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> You did. Is there something you are not telling us Mr Astronomer? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> I said that I have seen something strange in the sky, that didn't fit my understanding of aircraft at that time. That was in the early 80's. I was near a major air force base. There is a chance, that what I saw was an early version of the stealth bomber or a flying wing project. I am very familiar with conventional aircraft. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The difficulty, of course, comes from finding funds for such a study. The previous examinations of this material have been negative enough that I do not know of a professional who wants to spend his/her valuable research time on a question that seems to have so little prospect.[/QUOTE]</p><p></p><p>Just wait until I win the powerball. I would love to see a serious up to date sutdy similar to the one done in the 60's.</p><p></p><p>Hawkeye</p><p></p><p>Edit: Still learning the quote system.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Hawkeye, post: 1103831, member: 9200"] I agree with all of that. [QUOTE/]You are not doubting his intelligence, education, or dedication, but you are making a serious slam against his integrity. Still, this does not affect his actual arguments. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.[/QUOTE] I never doubted his integrity. He maintained his beliefs to the end despite harsh criticism from others. That is integrity. My problem, is that his skepticism seemed to be a knee-jerk reaction. Anyone who automatically denies the existence of something or automatically believes in something going into a scientific investigation is not going to have a truly objective view to review the data. Their bias will tilt them one way or the other. Its the old "judging a book by its cover". I still maintain that his primary job was working for the US government to "debunk" the UFO sightings that had normal, reasonable, relatively easy explanations for being something else besides little green men from Rigel VII. The government needed this done to assure the public that unknown aircraft were penetrating US airspace. [QUOTE/]A scientific study must be published, and it must be made available for review by qualified individuals. In this sense, NICAP & MUFON have simply been gathering data.[/QUOTE] I have not checked recently, but I believe that NICAP and MUFON do publish their studies in their own digests and make them available for review, just like any other field of science. [QUOTE/]There is nothing to suggest that the results would be any different in form: Any event that allowed reasonable examination showed no evidence of alien activity. (That does seem to be the conclusion of your next paragraph, to be fair.) The changes in our understanding of the universe have made the alien hypothesis less likely, not more likely. [/QUOTE] I never said UFOS were caused by aliens. :p You did. Is there something you are not telling us Mr Astronomer? :D I said that I have seen something strange in the sky, that didn't fit my understanding of aircraft at that time. That was in the early 80's. I was near a major air force base. There is a chance, that what I saw was an early version of the stealth bomber or a flying wing project. I am very familiar with conventional aircraft. The difficulty, of course, comes from finding funds for such a study. The previous examinations of this material have been negative enough that I do not know of a professional who wants to spend his/her valuable research time on a question that seems to have so little prospect.[/QUOTE] Just wait until I win the powerball. I would love to see a serious up to date sutdy similar to the one done in the 60's. Hawkeye Edit: Still learning the quote system. [/QUOTE]
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