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<blockquote data-quote="Croesus" data-source="post: 7324813" data-attributes="member: 35019">I don't see a lot of gimmicks, nor the need to buff the characters, but that's because I'm not convinced most CR 18-20 creatures are actually that tough. My game group took out Ogremoch when they were level 11. Granted, there were 4 PCs, plus 4 somewhat lower-level NPCs. But Ogremoch also had 2 NPCs on his side, one of whom was a 20th level barbarian. The fight was tough and the party only pulled it out because they had lots of healing (gotta love those NPCs). No matter how often Ogremoch or his minions dropped a character, someone was around to get them back in the fight and they eventually outlasted the prince. I would suggest the real issue with these modules is that they cover too many levels. There's just no way to adequately account for how each party will fare going through the module, nor what level they will be when they reach the various encounters. The solution is for the GM to be very flexible in running such modules, adapting as needed. I don't see that as gimmicky, but YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Croesus, post: 7324813, member: 35019"] I don't see a lot of gimmicks, nor the need to buff the characters, but that's because I'm not convinced most CR 18-20 creatures are actually that tough. My game group took out Ogremoch when they were level 11. Granted, there were 4 PCs, plus 4 somewhat lower-level NPCs. But Ogremoch also had 2 NPCs on his side, one of whom was a 20th level barbarian. The fight was tough and the party only pulled it out because they had lots of healing (gotta love those NPCs). No matter how often Ogremoch or his minions dropped a character, someone was around to get them back in the fight and they eventually outlasted the prince. I would suggest the real issue with these modules is that they cover too many levels. There's just no way to adequately account for how each party will fare going through the module, nor what level they will be when they reach the various encounters. The solution is for the GM to be very flexible in running such modules, adapting as needed. I don't see that as gimmicky, but YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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