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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7325882">This is a pretty common theme in the literature as much as it is in the game.&nbsp; If we appropriately statted &quot;Demon Princes&quot; they'd be way beyond 20th-level characters.&nbsp; Sure they've got stats so yes fundamentally you could fight it and defeat it, but it's like a squadron of X-Wings going against the Death Star, unless you take advantage of the McGuffin, you're boned.To continue the comparison, even in ROTJ Luke was only just able to defeat Vader by giving into the dark side (a McGuffin) but he was still no match for the Emperor.&nbsp; And Vader killed him not via combat, but by flushing him down a giant toilet.&nbsp; Or was that <a href="http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Kil%27jaeden" target="_blank">Kil'Jaeden</a>?Very few &quot;bosses&quot; would, IMO, be bosses if they could be defeated in a straight-up fight by ~5 20th level heroes.&nbsp; Beyond that, in some of these cases you run into the &quot;I killed a god!&quot; problem.&nbsp; The McGuffin avoids that, you didn't kill Tiamat, you just flushed her down a toilet to her sewer dimension where she will plot her return.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 7325882"] This is a pretty common theme in the literature as much as it is in the game. If we appropriately statted "Demon Princes" they'd be way beyond 20th-level characters. Sure they've got stats so yes fundamentally you could fight it and defeat it, but it's like a squadron of X-Wings going against the Death Star, unless you take advantage of the McGuffin, you're boned. To continue the comparison, even in ROTJ Luke was only [I]just[/I] able to defeat Vader by giving into the dark side (a McGuffin) but he was still no match for the Emperor. And Vader killed him not via combat, but by flushing him down a giant toilet. Or was that [URL="http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Kil%27jaeden"]Kil'Jaeden[/URL]? Very few "bosses" would, IMO, be bosses if they could be defeated in a straight-up fight by ~5 20th level heroes. Beyond that, in some of these cases you run into the "I killed a god!" problem. The McGuffin avoids that, you didn't [I]kill[/I] Tiamat, you just flushed her down a toilet to her sewer dimension where she will plot her return. [/QUOTE]

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