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<blockquote data-quote="MJS" data-source="post: 6220556" data-attributes="member: 6747144"><p>in birds: <a href="http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4161400?uid=3739256&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&sid=21102949675891" target="_blank">http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4161400?uid=3739256&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&sid=21102949675891</a></p><p></p><p>in insects: <a href="https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6" target="_blank">https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6</a></p><p></p><p>in apes: <a href="https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6" target="_blank">https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6</a></p><p></p><p> In other words, it happens - constantly, in nature. Not exactly chivalry, but chivalry is not my point. When a man says he has a deep-rooted feeling of protecting women, it is evolutionarily based, and I think, something to be preserved even as we tear down our cultural biases. Not all men have to share this instinct for it to be real, as there are different roles male animals express.</p><p> What your opinion suggests is that our natural tendency to protect females/nest is somehow "wrong", even to the point of denying its factual existence - perhaps because you yourself do not have this urge, and see it as a cultural problem. </p><p> For instance, a man taking the road side, or wanting to, when walking with a woman. Is that nature or culture? I say mostly the former, and point to evolution. You might point to men not giving women priority on a lifeboat. </p><p> How all of these things can be true at once is hard to fathom. I don't think you and I need be at odds on the issue, and it seems to me what matters is self-awareness in any case. I might say to my feminist beloved, "thousands of years of evolution are making me want to walk on the inside of the sidewalk", and we might laugh about it, and she may even honor / witness that feeling as authentic, similar to how she likes my animal reaction to her emerging for a night out, and I'd exclaim "god DAMN!" at how nice she looks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MJS, post: 6220556, member: 6747144"] in birds: [url]http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4161400?uid=3739256&uid=2460338175&uid=2460337935&uid=2&uid=4&uid=83&uid=63&sid=21102949675891[/url] in insects: [url]https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6[/url] in apes: [url]https://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00959-6[/url] In other words, it happens - constantly, in nature. Not exactly chivalry, but chivalry is not my point. When a man says he has a deep-rooted feeling of protecting women, it is evolutionarily based, and I think, something to be preserved even as we tear down our cultural biases. Not all men have to share this instinct for it to be real, as there are different roles male animals express. What your opinion suggests is that our natural tendency to protect females/nest is somehow "wrong", even to the point of denying its factual existence - perhaps because you yourself do not have this urge, and see it as a cultural problem. For instance, a man taking the road side, or wanting to, when walking with a woman. Is that nature or culture? I say mostly the former, and point to evolution. You might point to men not giving women priority on a lifeboat. How all of these things can be true at once is hard to fathom. I don't think you and I need be at odds on the issue, and it seems to me what matters is self-awareness in any case. I might say to my feminist beloved, "thousands of years of evolution are making me want to walk on the inside of the sidewalk", and we might laugh about it, and she may even honor / witness that feeling as authentic, similar to how she likes my animal reaction to her emerging for a night out, and I'd exclaim "god DAMN!" at how nice she looks. [/QUOTE]
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