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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kramodlog" data-source="post: 6220590" data-attributes="member: 55961">No evidence for humans, what a surprised. Funny how apes often kill the babies of female apes or that some orang-outangs commit rape or that divorce (and being forced to pay a pension) are so common. It seems the common thread is spreading genetic material. The question is, are these strategies genetic or cultural (young ape saw older ape act, does the same, pays off, cultural trait is passed on). In your opinion. It certainly can be cultural too. Women beater, rapist, murderers or just divorcers are rather common. Are they common enough to also be genetic, in your opinion? I'm curious.You still need to prove it is an instinct of males. So far it is just your opinion, you haven't proven that these aren't manifestations of culture. [quoe]What your opinion suggests is that our natural tendency to protect females/nest is somehow "wrong",</blockquote>I didn't pass any judgment, I'm interesting in facts, not opinions. From your comment it seems you are the one passing judgement on me. What I'm saying is we do not have a need to protect women or kids. Rape, other types of violence, divorce, two timing (hurting emotionally), all sort universal behavior of men show otherwise. You haven't shown any evidence this behavior is genetic in nature, do not misrepresent what I said.See, you are the one judging me and taking a swipe at me. Amusing.   Of course, we have evolved with the dangers of cars running over us for millions of years. Or rape and other forms of violence. Two timing, divorce, abandonning your family, etc...Maybe for you... Yes we do. I cannot support people who think their opinions are fact. Especially baseless and mostly sexist ones. I'm sure you think that women have a maternal instinct. Surprise, they do not have one as far as it has been observed. It is not just infanticide committed by some women, but how they do not suddenly become all motherly and protective of their new born. Some do, but is it just that they are more prepared mentally (culture) to take on that new role, rather than a gene kicking in?Have you considered that you are not aware of all your cultural biases? Or that you refuse to awknowledge them by rationalizing them?/snickers[/QUOTE]

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