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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8686051" data-attributes="member: 4937">I think we are talking past each other.  I was so impressed by the elegance of the advantage/disadvantage mechanic that I have frequently considered the costs of importing the mechanic into my 3e game.  And yes, having advantage is a significant advantage over not having advantage so from a player's perspective having advantage is great.But having advantage is not worth giving up an attack for.  Two attacks without advantage are better than one attack with advantage, and I am pretty sure that this is true for all scenarios.  So taking an action to gain advantage ironically never advantages you.  You could profitably advantage someone more powerful, or you can profitably advantage multiple people but that one to one trade is never worth it.And when I was talking about how useful the mechanic was, I meant from the perspective of a game designer.  Other than maybe making things less fiddly, it turns out to not be very mathematically interesting in that running the numbers doesn't reveal situations that are problems in play that it solves.  For example, taking an attack action to get a +4 bonus to hit on the next attack is sometimes mathematically profitable and solves a problem in play (weak creatures normally make boring foes).  But as we've just demonstrated from the math, taking an attack action to get advantage is not only less interesting it doesn't do anything profitable.  So now I'm less interested in importing advantage/disadvantage than I was before.</blockquote>

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