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Energy damage on Trip touch attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3022701" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Its a different situation.</p><p></p><p>With Cat's Reflexes, you are adding to something that must already be there. Having a Dex score is a neccessary precondition for benefiting from the spell. The benefit of the spell is dependent upon there being something to add to. Cats could be expressed as X +1d4 if and only if X is a real number>0 spell.</p><p></p><p>With energy damage, the rules state its +1d6. But unlike the spell, its not a +1d6 dependent upon something else like doing damage- its only prerequisite is that contact be made. Energy damage is XdN + 1d6, where X can be 0 or even nonexistent. They are not interdependent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A trip attack is NOT a precision strike by any stretch of the imagination, especially when using a tripping weapon that wraps around a limb.</p><p></p><p>Now to the Karinsdad section of my response:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Recheck my context- I was referring back to the 1Ed rules.</p><p></p><p>Unless the 3.x rules explicitly change the way fire works, I see no reason to change things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The rules under flaming weapon say explicitly that the weapon is sheathed in fire and that the fire "does not harm the wielder." The ONLY reason to make that distintion is to distinguish the wielder from any other object or person that may come in contact with the fire.</p><p></p><p>As for 3.X, considering the section you quoted from the DMG (p303 Catching on Fire), in which non-instantaneous magical fire is listed as a source that can ignite flammables- do you actually consider the weapon's flame instantaneous? Its no more instantaneous than a torch. If you can light something with a torch, you can light it with a flaming sword.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3022701, member: 19675"] Its a different situation. With Cat's Reflexes, you are adding to something that must already be there. Having a Dex score is a neccessary precondition for benefiting from the spell. The benefit of the spell is dependent upon there being something to add to. Cats could be expressed as X +1d4 if and only if X is a real number>0 spell. With energy damage, the rules state its +1d6. But unlike the spell, its not a +1d6 dependent upon something else like doing damage- its only prerequisite is that contact be made. Energy damage is XdN + 1d6, where X can be 0 or even nonexistent. They are not interdependent. A trip attack is NOT a precision strike by any stretch of the imagination, especially when using a tripping weapon that wraps around a limb. Now to the Karinsdad section of my response: Recheck my context- I was referring back to the 1Ed rules. Unless the 3.x rules explicitly change the way fire works, I see no reason to change things. The rules under flaming weapon say explicitly that the weapon is sheathed in fire and that the fire "does not harm the wielder." The ONLY reason to make that distintion is to distinguish the wielder from any other object or person that may come in contact with the fire. As for 3.X, considering the section you quoted from the DMG (p303 Catching on Fire), in which non-instantaneous magical fire is listed as a source that can ignite flammables- do you actually consider the weapon's flame instantaneous? Its no more instantaneous than a torch. If you can light something with a torch, you can light it with a flaming sword. [/QUOTE]
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