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Energy damage on Trip touch attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3027171" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>It's not as gray as you claim.</p><p></p><p>In order for Energy Weapon damage to work via touch attacks and for you to be supported by the Web spell, the Web spell would have to state that it takes the <strong>damage</strong> of the flaming weapon via a <strong>touch attack</strong>. It does not state this. It states that the web is flammable.</p><p></p><p>A candle does not do fire damage to anyone, but it can set flammable objects on fire.</p><p></p><p>The only thing that the Web spell supports is that:</p><p></p><p>1) The web if flammable.</p><p>2) A Flaming Weapon can slash them away (presumably with a free action via the "as easily as a hand brushes away cobwebs", but this is not explicit and is open to debate).</p><p></p><p>This states nothing about what else a Flaming Weapon sets on fire (it might only be a Web spell and nothing else) and it definitely says nothing about a Flaming Weapon doing touch damage.</p><p></p><p>Now, I can see someone using the Web spell to support that a Flaming Weapon sets flammable objects on fire. I have no problem with that since the Flame Weapon ability states that the weapon is covered with fire. But, this is TOTALLY different than claiming that the damage done on a successful hit also occurs on touch attacks. The ability states <strong>exactly</strong> when the damage occurs and it does not state that it occurs on touch attacks.</p><p></p><p>This is not a gray area. It is an extrapolation of rules which do not exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Flaming Weapon rule is explicit. It does damage on a successful hit. The game mechanics of this is not gray. The effect is listed and when the effect occurs is listed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The rules are precise. They say when a Flaming Weapon does damage.</p><p></p><p>This is not the answer you want, so you are claiming that the rules are imprecise.</p><p></p><p>You are using the phrase "successful hit" to mean something other than a normal attack roll when that is the default and any exception to the default would have to be clearly stated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3027171, member: 2011"] It's not as gray as you claim. In order for Energy Weapon damage to work via touch attacks and for you to be supported by the Web spell, the Web spell would have to state that it takes the [b]damage[/b] of the flaming weapon via a [b]touch attack[/b]. It does not state this. It states that the web is flammable. A candle does not do fire damage to anyone, but it can set flammable objects on fire. The only thing that the Web spell supports is that: 1) The web if flammable. 2) A Flaming Weapon can slash them away (presumably with a free action via the "as easily as a hand brushes away cobwebs", but this is not explicit and is open to debate). This states nothing about what else a Flaming Weapon sets on fire (it might only be a Web spell and nothing else) and it definitely says nothing about a Flaming Weapon doing touch damage. Now, I can see someone using the Web spell to support that a Flaming Weapon sets flammable objects on fire. I have no problem with that since the Flame Weapon ability states that the weapon is covered with fire. But, this is TOTALLY different than claiming that the damage done on a successful hit also occurs on touch attacks. The ability states [b]exactly[/b] when the damage occurs and it does not state that it occurs on touch attacks. This is not a gray area. It is an extrapolation of rules which do not exist. The Flaming Weapon rule is explicit. It does damage on a successful hit. The game mechanics of this is not gray. The effect is listed and when the effect occurs is listed. The rules are precise. They say when a Flaming Weapon does damage. This is not the answer you want, so you are claiming that the rules are imprecise. You are using the phrase "successful hit" to mean something other than a normal attack roll when that is the default and any exception to the default would have to be clearly stated. [/QUOTE]
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