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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3028218" data-attributes="member: 19675">I disagree.My statement:is easy enough to disprove- produce a rule that says melee weapons cannot be used for touch attacks.There is no logical reason why they cannot, as the RW example of counting coup illustrates.The only section that says anything about them just tells you the mechanics of calculating the AC for such an attack.At this point, all we have is an assumption that melee weapons cannot be used to deliver a touch attack- an assumption as yet unsupported by ANYTHING.In truth, this would be a suboptimal use of such a weapon 99.9% of the time.  But suboptimal doesn't mean impossible or illegal.I agree, and I pointed out that is why most people assume that they do not normally do damage.However, damage from enchantments are triggered by successful hits, not by the damage from the underlying weapons they enchant.I have already illustrated why the enchantment damage is seperate from the underlying damage- it is not dependend upon damage being dealt, it is dependent only upon there being a successful hit.  And a successful hit is a prerequisite of a trip attack.Of course not- the Melee Touch attack rules state nothing about damage, only about how to calculate AC for such attacks. The rules cited are all Core, and thus interact to shape the environment in which we play.If we eliminated all inferences, if we eliminate rules interpretation, we will inevitably wind up with some kind of conundrum that is insoluable.For instance, you complained that the "The Melee Touch Attack rules do not state that weapon energy damage is ever added to a melee touch attack or to a non-damaging attack"But as I pointed out- that section says NADA about damage.  Not Strength bonuses, not spell damage, nothing.By your logic, NO damage can be dealt by a melee touch attack because I'm making an inferrence that such attacks are capable of doing damage.</blockquote>

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