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Energy damage on Trip touch attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3029032" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>This is very debatable.</p><p></p><p>From the link you gave us:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The issues with this sentence are the words/phrases "exposed" and "noninstantaneous magic fires".</p><p></p><p></p><p>Does this mean that if you are hit with a normal attack from a Flaming Weapon that you have to make a DC 15 Reflex save every time or catch on fire? If so, why does the Flaming Weapon not explicitly specify this? If so, why does the Flaming Weapon have more combat utility than the equivalent +1 Cold, Acid, and Electricity special ability weapons?</p><p></p><p>If this is the case, why does Flaming Sphere not mention it?</p><p></p><p>If this is the case, why does Flame Blade mention "A flame blade can ignite combustible materials such as parchment, straw, dry sticks, and cloth", but does not explicitly mention creatures, their hair, their clothes, their equipment, etc.?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I opine that "exposed" means that you are "continuously exposed" (i.e. noninstantaneous) to these magical fire effects, not that you are quickly (i.e. with an attack) exposed. It seems unlikely that if the designers meant that these types of attacks could catch a creature on fire, that they never mentioned it in the pertinent spells / special abilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But, interpreting it that it does require the saving throw is perfectly legitimate as well (as I stated earlier in the thread). I just do not believe for a second that this is designer intent. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3029032, member: 2011"] This is very debatable. From the link you gave us: The issues with this sentence are the words/phrases "exposed" and "noninstantaneous magic fires". Does this mean that if you are hit with a normal attack from a Flaming Weapon that you have to make a DC 15 Reflex save every time or catch on fire? If so, why does the Flaming Weapon not explicitly specify this? If so, why does the Flaming Weapon have more combat utility than the equivalent +1 Cold, Acid, and Electricity special ability weapons? If this is the case, why does Flaming Sphere not mention it? If this is the case, why does Flame Blade mention "A flame blade can ignite combustible materials such as parchment, straw, dry sticks, and cloth", but does not explicitly mention creatures, their hair, their clothes, their equipment, etc.? I opine that "exposed" means that you are "continuously exposed" (i.e. noninstantaneous) to these magical fire effects, not that you are quickly (i.e. with an attack) exposed. It seems unlikely that if the designers meant that these types of attacks could catch a creature on fire, that they never mentioned it in the pertinent spells / special abilities. But, interpreting it that it does require the saving throw is perfectly legitimate as well (as I stated earlier in the thread). I just do not believe for a second that this is designer intent. ;) [/QUOTE]
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