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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3037433" data-attributes="member: 19675">Lets examine some of the special attacks:If you Bull Rush, you give up the opportunity to do damage in order to shove your opponent.It is done as an attack, so it requires an attack roll.  Yet despite giving up the ability to do damage with the underlying attack, you can still damage the target of a successful bull rush while holding the charge of a touch spell:A Disarm requires the attacker and the target to make "opposed attack rolls with (their) respective weapons."  There is no mention of dealing damage.If you Grapple, Step 2 requires you to make an attack roll, and further down the page, you are given the option of doing damage.With an Overrun, you must once again interact physically with your target, though no attack roll is required.  It does no damage, but like the Bull Rush, it should trigger a held touch spell.  The only time the underlying Overrun attack does damage is if you are mounted and have the Trample Feat.Trip, despite requring an attack roll, has no mention of doing damage, pro or con.  Like Disarm, its silent on dealing damage.  However, one could argue that since the other special attacks that definitely do damage tell you they do, that those that do not mention the possibility of dealing damage do not permit it.Trips can trigger a held touch spell if done without a weapon- unarmed trips satisfy the requirements listed on p141- and if it can trigger a held touch spell unarmed, then it can trigger an enchantment's damage if done armed.</blockquote>

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