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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3041131" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>First, while you are correct that many of the special attacks don't involve weapons, that point is itself irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>It is possible to 1) do damage while unarmed and 2) perform those attacks while unarmed, so 3) the fact that there is no damage allocation step in those other maneuvers would imply that you cannot do damage with those special attacks even if you are capable of dealing damage while fighting without a weapon- like, say, a monk.</p><p></p><p>Second, your point about Disarm's opposed attack rolls is without merit, since the same opposed attack rolls mechanic is used in the Sunder special attack, in which damage <em>is</em> dealt, albeit to the targeted weapon or object instead of a creature. Since there <em>is</em> a damage dealing stage, the designers of this section obviously consider these opposed attack rolls no less "successful hits" than normal melee attacks...which would also mean that the weapon enchantment should trigger and do damage (assuming the target object is vulnerable to such damage).</p><p></p><p>Third, while I must admit that I misread the parenthetical in "You can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a Charge." as "(as <strong>an</strong> attack)," the sentence immediately following would imply that you must still make an attack roll.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To push your opponent, you must at least make physical contact- here, intentionally, since it is a special attack (and thus triggering a held spell)- and to make intentional contact with your foe in combat, you would have to make at least a melee touch attack.</p><p></p><p>To do a Bull Rush during a Charge, you get modifiers to your successes, but no real changes to the mechanics of the Bull Rush.</p><p></p><p>Fourth:</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Incorrect- Unarmed strike and Gauntlets are both listed on the weapons table in the Equipment section, and can be used during many of these maneuvers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3041131, member: 19675"] First, while you are correct that many of the special attacks don't involve weapons, that point is itself irrelevant. It is possible to 1) do damage while unarmed and 2) perform those attacks while unarmed, so 3) the fact that there is no damage allocation step in those other maneuvers would imply that you cannot do damage with those special attacks even if you are capable of dealing damage while fighting without a weapon- like, say, a monk. Second, your point about Disarm's opposed attack rolls is without merit, since the same opposed attack rolls mechanic is used in the Sunder special attack, in which damage [i]is[/i] dealt, albeit to the targeted weapon or object instead of a creature. Since there [i]is[/i] a damage dealing stage, the designers of this section obviously consider these opposed attack rolls no less "successful hits" than normal melee attacks...which would also mean that the weapon enchantment should trigger and do damage (assuming the target object is vulnerable to such damage). Third, while I must admit that I misread the parenthetical in "You can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a Charge." as "(as [b]an[/b] attack)," the sentence immediately following would imply that you must still make an attack roll. To push your opponent, you must at least make physical contact- here, intentionally, since it is a special attack (and thus triggering a held spell)- and to make intentional contact with your foe in combat, you would have to make at least a melee touch attack. To do a Bull Rush during a Charge, you get modifiers to your successes, but no real changes to the mechanics of the Bull Rush. Fourth: Incorrect- Unarmed strike and Gauntlets are both listed on the weapons table in the Equipment section, and can be used during many of these maneuvers. [/QUOTE]
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