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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3049184" data-attributes="member: 2011">The real issue I have with this entire discussion is that the rules text of the Trip Special Attack is mostly ignored in favor of miscellaneous text in other parts of the rules:Trip tells you the type of attack to make AND it tells you what happens if that is successful.Just like touching with Cure Light Wounds tells you what happens if the touch attack is successful.Damage is something that occurs if a damaging attack is successful. Weapon energy damage is something that occurs if a normal weapon attack is successful.But, this is not a normal weapon attack (e.g. like with a Charge). It is a Trip. It is a special attack using a weapon. The weapon damage (of any type) is totally irrelevant to the conversation AT ALL unless that weapon explicitly states that xyz weapon damage occurs on a trip.For example, a flail explicitly states that you can drop the flail instead of the countertrip rules in the Trip Special Attack. In order to get past the rules in trip, the weapon has to explicitly state it is doing so.If the weapon or the weapon special ability does not explicitly state that it does anything special for a trip, it does not. Just like all other rules.The trip rules are the core rules for tripping, not the weapon damage rules, the weapon energy damage rules, etc.The proponents of the Energy Weapons deal their damage on a touch POV are basically flat out ignoring the fact that Trip tells you what success means for a trip and that Energy Weapons do not explicitly call out an exception to the normal Trip success rules.And, that is why there really is no significant or explicit rules support for that position. The proponents of that position are adding to the Trip success rules for their POV to work where none of their rules text explicitly adds to those success rules.</blockquote>

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