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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6733178" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>When you say that, do you mean that your default position on races is hard "no", or that you've just not really run campaign settings where they're a normal part of things? I mean, personally, it seems weird to start with no, rather than "maybe, if it can fit" or "let's talk it through". It's not like adventures for settings don't constantly introduce new NPC races (they particularly did in Ye Olde Dayes).</p><p></p><p>It's also pretty weird to me that you'd need to refer to the fluff to see if destroying the eggs was okay. That's something you roleplay out. It's not like dragonborn actually come from dragon eggs (at least in 4E/5E). They're not Draconians, for goodness sake! Legends may have it that they once did (can't remember), but legends are legends for a reason, even in a fantasy setting, and dragonborn and dragons are rarely shown to be BFFs. It seems to me kind of like referring to lore to see if it would be okay for humans to fight Dire Apes or something. That's not something you can reasonably expect the lore to lay out in detail. If a human paladin would be okay doing it, a Dragonborn one would.</p><p></p><p>Personally I think what's most odd about Dragonborn is how long it took for D&D to acquire an "official" Dragon-based race. Dragon-people are an ancient trope in fantasy, one that appears over and over again. I seem to recall Out of the Pit for the Fighting Fantasy RPG (related to the books) had at least two dragon-person races, possibly three or four. </p><p></p><p>That was in 1985.</p><p></p><p>Many FRPGs have featured dragon-people, and they've cropped up in D&D since the Draconians, if not earlier. I don't think it's any coincidence that the "standard dragonborn" concept is this honor-bound warrior-type who has something in common with Dragonbait, too.</p><p></p><p>D&D always lacked a playable race that didn't appear to be a fairly basic hominid, though minotaurs and thri-kreen filled that role for some settings, despite such races being ten-a-penny in D&D settings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6733178, member: 18"] When you say that, do you mean that your default position on races is hard "no", or that you've just not really run campaign settings where they're a normal part of things? I mean, personally, it seems weird to start with no, rather than "maybe, if it can fit" or "let's talk it through". It's not like adventures for settings don't constantly introduce new NPC races (they particularly did in Ye Olde Dayes). It's also pretty weird to me that you'd need to refer to the fluff to see if destroying the eggs was okay. That's something you roleplay out. It's not like dragonborn actually come from dragon eggs (at least in 4E/5E). They're not Draconians, for goodness sake! Legends may have it that they once did (can't remember), but legends are legends for a reason, even in a fantasy setting, and dragonborn and dragons are rarely shown to be BFFs. It seems to me kind of like referring to lore to see if it would be okay for humans to fight Dire Apes or something. That's not something you can reasonably expect the lore to lay out in detail. If a human paladin would be okay doing it, a Dragonborn one would. Personally I think what's most odd about Dragonborn is how long it took for D&D to acquire an "official" Dragon-based race. Dragon-people are an ancient trope in fantasy, one that appears over and over again. I seem to recall Out of the Pit for the Fighting Fantasy RPG (related to the books) had at least two dragon-person races, possibly three or four. That was in 1985. Many FRPGs have featured dragon-people, and they've cropped up in D&D since the Draconians, if not earlier. I don't think it's any coincidence that the "standard dragonborn" concept is this honor-bound warrior-type who has something in common with Dragonbait, too. D&D always lacked a playable race that didn't appear to be a fairly basic hominid, though minotaurs and thri-kreen filled that role for some settings, despite such races being ten-a-penny in D&D settings. [/QUOTE]
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