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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oldtimer" data-source="post: 2013615" data-attributes="member: 10503">Ok, on being original. If you can't judge something on it presenting an original idea, then what can you judge it on?How the world hangs together? It's a typical feudal society being opressed by the meany overlords world. Except that they tried to make it seem as strange as possible (I still have to wonder whats with all the oriental stuff?), but  I'll give them some credit there- I believe your statement that "D&D requires 3 books, so whats the difference?" is false- D&D is A RULE SYSTEM, not a CAMPAIGN SETTING. With a campaign setting, I expect to get enough information that I can play a game in that setting, and know enough about it to feel comfortable with it. As far as other campaign settings- Scarred Lands (not as original as you believe, but still a very good example of how a world book should be done) offers enough information to play in that world without buying all 4 books- these are optional. You wont find yourself lacking critical information if you don't have the other 3.Kingdoms of Kalamar is suppose to be generic. Kenzer admits this. The DM can do with it as he pleases. and again you get everything y why should I buy 3 books for to fully understand this Engel? If it were a different rule system I would understand it, but ass to the insult the fact that most of the "Rules" are direct reprints from the players hand book (a book I already own for christ sakes!)and it is even more disappointing-Engel clearly seeks to string the player/dm along and suck his/their wallet(s) dry I felt like Engel starts of with on a fairly promiseing note, and quickly degenerates into a standard Dark ages type setting. The whole thing was a big disapointment. I really expected to find a more interesting world described- not another Civilization has been wiped out, and man has been reduced to pre-industral technology yet again- Almost every post apocalyptic game ever produced follows this template. Seen it, done it. Maybe that sounds glib. But thats just my opinion.And yes,there are ALOT of game worlds thatlack originality for - and those I don't give a second chance.  Engel is one of them. There just isn't enough here to grab me and pull me in. Not even the Engels. It's not that big of a hook. I am sure we will learn that some horrid secret/pact with devil type deal is involved- or Engels are actually bio-enginered by the Facist church. In otherwords few or no surprises.  But the truth is, my curiosity has not been peeked enough to want to find out (or spend the money). If a book  that is primarily a game world can not provide me with enough information to understand the whole story, I am not going to fork over more money for the answers. And lets be honest: What this is, a World of Darkness game,minus the the WOD rules. It's centered around the theme creature: Engels. The entire pull is that people WANT to play the creature featured in the book. People want to play vampires, people want to play werewolfs, or mummies or ghouls or what ever. I don't want to play an Angel- it just doesn't appeal to me- no matter how many flavors they come in. Had the cover been  in printed in a font I could easily make out, had the spelling been in english instead of german- I probably would have never bought it.Yes curiosity got the better of me. The same with the D20 logo- Had it clearly displayed it I would have been able to make my mind up on the spot, same thing had it been identified as a WoD book. Not giveing a clear indication of what game it is for seems like a really CHEAP way of trying to draw in players from both camps. And to be perfectly honest- I am not one of these unwashed heathens that linger in game shops for hours carefully examining game books before I even consider buying them. I bought the book based on the small amount of information it provided in it's blurbs- it sounded like a potentialy intruigeing idea. That promise proved to be false. in the review, I was not judgeing on it either being a WoD or D20 book. I just felt that makeing what is clearly an attempt to merge the two styles of play seems like, at best, an strange idea to begin with (and makes one wonder just how White Wolfs bottom line is doing these days...)</blockquote>

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