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Message: <blockquote data-quote="damieus" data-source="post: 561123" data-attributes="member: 4270">Angels and demons... hard for me to have an objective opinion on this kind of game, since I am obessesed with angels and have a pretty strong inclination towards all things demonic as well. As for judeo-christian games all of a sudden? I guess you mean as opposed to polytheistic settings, but almost every single RPG, (if not every single RPG) that I have seen is judeo-christian. Of course, the whole idea of demons is contrary to Judaism so we are really talking about Islamo-Christian settings or possibly even Zoroastrian settings. Anyway the point I am trying to make here is that the basic thing that sets "Judeo-Christian" (as it is labelled) apart from everything else is a clear seperation between good and evil and the idea that good and evil are forces of the universe and not just matters of perspective. Angels and demons are just physical incarnations of these very ideas. Now I will certainly grant you that Engel and D:TF and hey even V:TM are based heavily on the bible and its apocrypha but that is hardly a new development in gaming. In fact, with all of the devil-lords of the Nine Hells in DnD, they are taken directly from early jewish and christian writings as well as from medieval fiction. The vast majority of western culture, whether they are christain or not, has a basic background of good/evil ingrained in his psyche. Whether this came from church, disney cartoons, fantasy novels, movies or some other more exotic origin, it is a big part of western culture. Now, excluding the minority of RPGamers who have no grounding in western culture, the rest of us have this background whether we consciously subscribe to it or not. So drawing on our most basic concepts about metaphysical reality is a valid way of creating any kind of decent fictional world.As for toying with religions, what is it exactly that you object to? In ravenloft, do they say: "This is what the Hindu religion believes:" and then proceed to butcher it? If so, then they should certainly retract that. But if they just create something that is loosely based off of Hinduism then they are just drawing off of real life to make a more palatable fiction. The same goes for Vampire the Masquerade's stories about Caine and whatever they did for Demon: The Fallen (Another book I haven't had a chance to look at). They are not trying to say that Cain(e) actually became a vampire and that the book of Nod should be included in the Catholic Bible, they are attempting to create a fantasy world that is based on our own.That said, I haven't been able to find Engel in nearby bookstores, and my stupid credit card is maxed out atm due to a recent move so I'm just drooling over reviews on the internet right now.</blockquote>

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