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<blockquote data-quote="pyk" data-source="post: 1484800" data-attributes="member: 14254"><p>No answer?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Everyone else feels that class features (which spellcasting is) are like feats, not skills.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, there is a big difference. </p><p></p><p>The book says the ability scores govern the amount of spells the character can cast. It then goes on to say that certain classes must prepare them first. Where the book actually states that any class gets a certain number of prepared spells per day, well, it's not there.</p><p></p><p>Quote it from the book if you can show this for fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mis-worded. By abilities, I meant to say class features. Spellcasting is a class feature, which certainly do work just like feats.</p><p></p><p>And, again, please quote from the book where it says that a caster gets a certain number of prepared spells per day. Because all I find is that characters get to CAST a certain number of spells per day, of which wizards and divine casters must prepare their spells ahead of time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just because it is silent, does not mean the rules do not apply.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Spellcasting is a class feature. Class features are in all ways just the same as feats. See the generic classes in Unearthed Arcana to show this.</p><p></p><p>Again, one does not 'get' prepared slots. One gets a certain number of spells that may be cast, depending on the requisite ability. If the ability is not high enough for bonus spells, then one does not have bonus spells. Otherwise, those two spells you keep refering to are next to worthless to cast on anyone, as they can be cured right away and just keep plugging away with the same spells, one round of spells lost, maybe, unless the NPCs cleric heals him before the next round. Good for this to happen to a PC, as they get to have the spells still. Bad for this to happen to the BBEG, as then the PCs all get hosed by him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You talk of abuses. Time to actually show some, because I, and others, have shown how your way abuses the rules. Yet you have shown - nothing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pyk, post: 1484800, member: 14254"] No answer? Everyone else feels that class features (which spellcasting is) are like feats, not skills. Yes, there is a big difference. The book says the ability scores govern the amount of spells the character can cast. It then goes on to say that certain classes must prepare them first. Where the book actually states that any class gets a certain number of prepared spells per day, well, it's not there. Quote it from the book if you can show this for fact. Mis-worded. By abilities, I meant to say class features. Spellcasting is a class feature, which certainly do work just like feats. And, again, please quote from the book where it says that a caster gets a certain number of prepared spells per day. Because all I find is that characters get to CAST a certain number of spells per day, of which wizards and divine casters must prepare their spells ahead of time. Just because it is silent, does not mean the rules do not apply. Spellcasting is a class feature. Class features are in all ways just the same as feats. See the generic classes in Unearthed Arcana to show this. Again, one does not 'get' prepared slots. One gets a certain number of spells that may be cast, depending on the requisite ability. If the ability is not high enough for bonus spells, then one does not have bonus spells. Otherwise, those two spells you keep refering to are next to worthless to cast on anyone, as they can be cured right away and just keep plugging away with the same spells, one round of spells lost, maybe, unless the NPCs cleric heals him before the next round. Good for this to happen to a PC, as they get to have the spells still. Bad for this to happen to the BBEG, as then the PCs all get hosed by him. You talk of abuses. Time to actually show some, because I, and others, have shown how your way abuses the rules. Yet you have shown - nothing. [/QUOTE]
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