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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 1488398" data-attributes="member: 96">False. The 'other side', as you put it, works from impeccable logic."When a stat is changed, all attributes associated with that score change accordingly."  By your own argument, if this were meant to have a delayed effect, it would state it.  Since it does not clearly exempt it, it has an immediate effect. The bonus slot is gained or lost immediately.  If it meant to be otherwise, it would say so specifically, wouldn't it?  That's the argument you keep using.You attempt to use the fact that the bonus slot gained cannot be used immediately as evidence for your case, but it is not so.  It is simply the result of the interaction between the aforementioned rule and the rule that states that you must rest to 'prime' a slot to be used.  Thus, one can say that prepared spells are lost, but not immediately gained, and still be perfectly consistent.There is no indication that slots are assigned once, after resting, and are thereafter inviolate - in fact, the mechanics of level drain show us that this is definitely not so.  If your assertion were correct, then a 20th level mage drained down to 1st level should retain all of his spells, because he was 20th level when he prepared them.I am certain your objection to this will be that the energy drain rule is clearly spelled out in the books, while stat changes are not.  I am sorry, but that is again a logical fallacy. Stating that some mammals are cats, and producing a cat as evidence, does not mean that only cats are mammals - yet that is just what you are trying to claim.You must be very careful how you reverse a logical statement.  "All cats are mammals" does not reverse to "all mammals are cats".  You must also be certain that the axiom you begin with is accurate.It is, the same place I've quoted the last dozen times."all attributes associated with that score" - bonus spells from an ability score are attributes associated with it, are they not?  Well, they're listed with all the other attributes in the ability score description.  If they were not attributes associated with the score, it would be stated 'somewhere'. Right?So...if they, unlike other attibutes associated with that score, did not change immediately, it would be stated 'somewhere', by your own reasoning.  Right?  Otherwise how would we know it is a rule - guessing?You are looking at a specifically denoted exception (skill points) and trying to make it the default rule.  I am looking at the default rule, failing to see a specifically denoted exception, and then considering the logical consequences of it.So, the way I see it, you have two options:One, show that spell slots are not an 'attribute associated with' the spellcasting stat, thus making the rule inapplicable.Two, show that a 'delayed effect' is the general case, and 'immediate effect' is the exception.Without one or both of those, I can't see how you can continue to argue your position.J</blockquote>

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