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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1488441" data-attributes="member: 5777">If by 'impeccable' you mean 'just as valid as yours' then sure, I can go with that. Until you can state something that contridicts either side then both sides are valid.Delayed effect? It has an immediate effect, but not one that matters immediately. It changes how many you would get if you prepared 'right now', but you arent, so it doesnt matter.it is changed, but not in a way that matters. Easy enough.If you say so, but just because both sides are entirely consistant does nothing damaging to my case. You want to use those slots immediately? Fine. But that is only your interpretation of the raw, and mine is different. Both are entirely consistant with the rules (assuming that yours is consistant with the rules of course) so there isnt much harm, so long as one knows that a choice was made.Edit: The more that I think about your statement here the more it rings false. You have proven nothing that you lose slots. You have proven nothing about those slots at all. You have suppositions and assumptions, most/all of which may be false. Proof, you need proof. Mine comes from their silence, by not stating it is the way that you want it then it falls to mine. You keep what it does not make you lose. Just like you dont randomly lose d6 hp every 10 seconds that you stand on one leg. The rules dont state that it happens, so it doesnt.No. After resting you get to prepare your spells. If, at a later time, your stat changes nothing says that you gain or lose available slots. You can try to interpret one passage as meaning that, but that does not make it mean what you think that it does.If you are energy drained for 19 levels then you have lost 19 spells as well. If after all of that you manage to have some spells still prepared cool, but chances are very bad to have much useful left. But then this is a quirk of magic. Then again, if you arent of a high enough level you cant cast certain spells anyway, so I suppose they are waiting for you to get high enough level again. Not a big deal. It is an edge condition, and if you are trying to say that your way you wouldnt have the same problem then how? The next day nothing in the rules say that you will suddenly lose all spells that you didnt cast the day before.. in fact it specifically says you keep them unless you cast them, choose to forget them, or have them drained out of you by something that says so. So, either way you would still have spells left, according to the raw. That is what it says. Sure it may not make sense, but then if the system explained everything we wouldnt be having this conversation. Then again, we probably shouldnt be anyway. Since it doesnt say that the stat change does anything to you then there is no reason to assume that it does.It is not a logical fallicy. If it is a rule it would be stated somewhere.. That is indisputable, or if you choose to dispute it then you choose to use logic incorrectly. IF it is a rule, THEN it will be in the rulebook. If you cant find it, then it isnt a rule.Your claim above is put together very poorly, strawman if you will. Allow me to explain <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Cats are mammels. All right then, stated fact, I dont think many would disagree. if you want to negate this properly then you say, 'if it isnt a mammel, then it isnt a cat'. This is also true. My logical suppositions work in the same way, and they are perfectly valid.So, as I explained before, my logical arguement is perfectly valid. If you wish to try to knock it down be my guest, it will require that you find a rule that states changeing a stat changes your prepared spells. if that cannot be found then either A) the raw agrees with me or B) we are both right. Either one works for me, it is a shame you cant say the same <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I am useing the logical arguements perfectly, however you are butchering what I have said. I am unsure if it is deliberate because you have no actual arguements to present, or because of something else. I will assume for now that it is accidental though, please try to use them properly in the future.All cats are mammels. The 'reverse' is effectively, IF it isnt a mammel, then it isnt a cat. this is true, just like all of my logical steps are true as well.You keep bringing this up, but it doesnt matter at all. I have said, repeatidly, it does change something immediately, it is just that the change it makes doesnt matter in any way, shape or form until you try to regain spells.No where does it say that this change causes you to 'lose' prepared spells. There isnt even a reason to assume it. The rules in other parts clearly state when you get spells and what makes them go away. Unless it is stated that it makes an actual change in the currently prepared spells (which it does not, not even close) then it is meaningless to this conversation.So...if they, unlike other attibutes associated with that score, did not change immediately, it would be stated 'somewhere', by your own reasoning.  Right?  Otherwise how would we know it is a rule - guessing?Great, look for that default rule. When you find it written out somewhere give me a page number and a quote. We will see if it applies to this case or not.The default currently is to not change them, because nothing says 'to' change them. Sounds like a great default to me. The default is to do nothing because that is easiest and the least likely to cause abuse.Ahh, good, I have options. Somehow I think that I have more than two however.What are you talking about? How many of my posts have you read? Somewhere around 0 it looks like.I have said repeatidly that it is associated, just not in a way important to this topic. You have your level and stat, you prepare after you rest, if your stat changes during the day nothing special happens to your prepared slots. If you wish to claim otherwise then find a quote that says it. Otherwise you are simply making a guess, or basing it on one of those fancy 'unwritten rules'.So, where is this rule you seem so bent up on that says you lose the slots? There isnt one. My quotes above have shown that you prepare spells after you rest, and none of those pages ever mentions anything about loseing those when the stat goes down.You prepared your spells, at that time it was checked to see how many slots you got.Later on, who cares? the rules dont say you lose the slots, so you dont.The general rule you are looking for is the one I have been giving all along.I have all of that and more. Until you come up with something that supports your claim in some way you have no legs to stand on.You cannot say I am 'wrong' at this point without lieing. There is nothing to prove that I am wrong. prove it, if you can.Until then though.. my way is perfectly consistant with every rule posted so far. If you were meant to lose spells when your stat drops it would be said 'somewhere'. The rulebooks go out of their way to repeat many things about spells, but it is completely silent about loseing spells to stat damage. Even under all of the relevant passages about stat damage, or poison, or ability drain, penalties, and everything else.if that doesnt shout at you that you could be wrong in your position then nothing will ever convince you.</blockquote>

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