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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kramis" data-source="post: 226217" data-attributes="member: 2084">knockdown is not trippingIt's funny how often the same issues come up. If any of you care, the official ruling and intent of the knockdown feat has nothing to do with making an actual "trip attack", you only use the trip attack mechanics.That is to say, you are not making a trip attack, there is no counter trip possibility, improved trip has no effect, etc. You are simply using the same mechanics as a trip attack to determine if they fall down since it was simpler to do it that way.Those are the official rules, like them or not. Feel free to hate them and modifiy them to suit your own needs (we add BAB to all trip attacks in our campaign, so far it's been ok).If you want to house rule an always on knockdown style you should base it on a percentage of HP, not a set number, and there should of course be bonuses for size, stability, etc. That's my feeling about it anyway.</blockquote>