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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MonsterEnvy" data-source="post: 9352511" data-attributes="member: 6706188">I feel like people are underestimating the difficulty of these things. Particularly Vecna and Miska. For one thing a full 20th level party with magic gear is supposed to be able to defeat a CR 26 like Archlich Vecna in a straight fight at full strength. The PC's are not going to be at full strength for those fights. At minimum before fighting Vecna with no rest after they have to defeat two Death Knights and four CR 10 Mirror Shades (Honestly it's very likley that the mirror shades wait and are fought alongside Vecna. The Arena they are fighting him in is also very tricky in a way that does not affect Vecna. You do know Miska was always more famous for his generalship than his induvial combat prowers even in his original depiction. (In 2e he was impressive but not that impressive) Here he's a CR 24 and matches that as he is. He averages 141 damage + incapacitation a round assuming he doesn't use a spell that turn (If he does he drops to 115), he's also a general and is expected to be backed up by powerful Spyder-Fiends. I am pretty sure a Level 13 party will die to this guy unless they get very lucky.</blockquote>