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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 9644519" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>And as long as I'm necroing this thread (get it) I'd like to roll a knowledge (high level campaigns) by [USER=7030563]@ECMO3[/USER] for advice.</p><p></p><p>Sidebar: I actually read through all 49 pages of this thread: <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/wrapping-up-first-2-20-2024-campaign-this-week-some-of-my-thoughts.711333/" target="_blank">D&D (2024) - Wrapping up first 2-20 2024 campaign this week, some of my thoughts</a> and what I saw was the original observation about issues with a high-level 2024 game get ridiculed repeatedly by several people, and then the rest of the thread was ECMO3's (impressively) calm and reasonable responses that showed not only their level of expertise in every raised concern, but also that the people trying to point out "obvious" errors had zero/near-zero experience or objective evidence for their complaints, all of which turned out to be incorrect.</p><p></p><p>To anyone with experience running or playing this game or other up-to-20 5.5 games:</p><p>Given that Eve of Ruin is a 5.0 campaign and I'm running it with 5.5 characters (and using 5.5 monsters whenever I can), broadly: what would you do to change things if you were running it?</p><p></p><p>We have an Oathbreaker Paladin, Moon Druid, Battle Master Fighter, Assassin Rogue, and Lore Bard (who is the least power-gamey of the group). None of my group are multi-classers, nor do I think they'll bother with it down the line (maybe the rogue?). I'm cutting chapters 3 and 6 (Spelljammer and Krynn, just for story reasons) and completely changing chapter 2, so no worries with that material. Some ideas I've read from other posts include:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Don't allow Vicious weapons, or houserule them as Very Rare (I'd probably do the latter)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Don't give unrestricted free reign to PCs to buy or craft whatever they want (which will be hard to do as there is a central city hub that is specifically for that purpose)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'll probably houserule the 3.5 rule that you can't have more than 2 magical rings</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm going to use Dave2008's excellent "Apostles of Ruin" update to the bosses, which make them at least 6-10 times harder</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I know ECMO3 talks about Tasha's Hid. Laughter and Command as being the most broken spells in 5.5; would you change the spells or just try to play around them?</li> </ul><p>What else should I be looking out for, given these classes and that material?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 9644519, member: 9789"] And as long as I'm necroing this thread (get it) I'd like to roll a knowledge (high level campaigns) by [USER=7030563]@ECMO3[/USER] for advice. Sidebar: I actually read through all 49 pages of this thread: [URL="https://www.enworld.org/threads/wrapping-up-first-2-20-2024-campaign-this-week-some-of-my-thoughts.711333/"]D&D (2024) - Wrapping up first 2-20 2024 campaign this week, some of my thoughts[/URL] and what I saw was the original observation about issues with a high-level 2024 game get ridiculed repeatedly by several people, and then the rest of the thread was ECMO3's (impressively) calm and reasonable responses that showed not only their level of expertise in every raised concern, but also that the people trying to point out "obvious" errors had zero/near-zero experience or objective evidence for their complaints, all of which turned out to be incorrect. To anyone with experience running or playing this game or other up-to-20 5.5 games: Given that Eve of Ruin is a 5.0 campaign and I'm running it with 5.5 characters (and using 5.5 monsters whenever I can), broadly: what would you do to change things if you were running it? We have an Oathbreaker Paladin, Moon Druid, Battle Master Fighter, Assassin Rogue, and Lore Bard (who is the least power-gamey of the group). None of my group are multi-classers, nor do I think they'll bother with it down the line (maybe the rogue?). I'm cutting chapters 3 and 6 (Spelljammer and Krynn, just for story reasons) and completely changing chapter 2, so no worries with that material. Some ideas I've read from other posts include: [LIST] [*]Don't allow Vicious weapons, or houserule them as Very Rare (I'd probably do the latter) [*]Don't give unrestricted free reign to PCs to buy or craft whatever they want (which will be hard to do as there is a central city hub that is specifically for that purpose) [*]I'll probably houserule the 3.5 rule that you can't have more than 2 magical rings [*]I'm going to use Dave2008's excellent "Apostles of Ruin" update to the bosses, which make them at least 6-10 times harder [*]I know ECMO3 talks about Tasha's Hid. Laughter and Command as being the most broken spells in 5.5; would you change the spells or just try to play around them? [/LIST] What else should I be looking out for, given these classes and that material? [/QUOTE]
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