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<blockquote data-quote="Nikchick" data-source="post: 729573" data-attributes="member: 344"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You should watch where you spit</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is *exactly* the problem that the Origins Awards have already, and I see the ENnies walking into the same trap. Right now there is virtually no difference between the Origins Awards (where the Academy members vote for the top 5 products in each category, and then the nomination ballot is voted on by the public) and the ENnies (where a panel of judges pulled by popular vote from the EN World body choose the top 5 products in each category and then the nomination ballot is voted on by the "public"). </p><p></p><p>The Origins Awards are often denigrated for being nothing more than a popularity contest once the final voting begins, using almost exactly the same argument as we've seen here regarding the ENnies. And the Origins Awards nominees have also often said that the honor is in being nominated, since they're nominated by Academy members who are their professional peers and presumably more familiar with the products on the ballot. </p><p></p><p>In the case of the ENnies, being nominated to the final ballot is an honor, of course, but it's also subject to the judgement of the panel. Not to say ENnie judges don't do a good job or anything like that, but they're being almost randomly selected (other than being a participant on the boards, there are no stringent guidelines or eligibility requirements to become an ENnie judge. Who *can* become an ENnie judge is better defined by the rules about who *can't* become an ENnie judge. I think you may be over-estimating the "glory" associated with the nomination, especially as the years go on.</p><p></p><p>It seems to me that Morrus, in his association with GenCon and his efforts to conduct the awards with more ceremony and physical trophies, etc, is interested in running the EN World awards as a meaningful and on-going set of awards. If I'm mistaken, and the ENnies are to remain a smallish, informal set of awards, then my suggested changes are probably unnecessary. In fact, it's probably unnecessary to have the judging panel at all... just open the vote up to the community at large right off the bat. But if my preception that the awards are intended to grow in significance (and, to a certain extent, formality) then I truly think increasing the scope of the awards to a medal system is the way to go.</p><p></p><p>Nicole</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nikchick, post: 729573, member: 344"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You should watch where you spit[/b] This is *exactly* the problem that the Origins Awards have already, and I see the ENnies walking into the same trap. Right now there is virtually no difference between the Origins Awards (where the Academy members vote for the top 5 products in each category, and then the nomination ballot is voted on by the public) and the ENnies (where a panel of judges pulled by popular vote from the EN World body choose the top 5 products in each category and then the nomination ballot is voted on by the "public"). The Origins Awards are often denigrated for being nothing more than a popularity contest once the final voting begins, using almost exactly the same argument as we've seen here regarding the ENnies. And the Origins Awards nominees have also often said that the honor is in being nominated, since they're nominated by Academy members who are their professional peers and presumably more familiar with the products on the ballot. In the case of the ENnies, being nominated to the final ballot is an honor, of course, but it's also subject to the judgement of the panel. Not to say ENnie judges don't do a good job or anything like that, but they're being almost randomly selected (other than being a participant on the boards, there are no stringent guidelines or eligibility requirements to become an ENnie judge. Who *can* become an ENnie judge is better defined by the rules about who *can't* become an ENnie judge. I think you may be over-estimating the "glory" associated with the nomination, especially as the years go on. It seems to me that Morrus, in his association with GenCon and his efforts to conduct the awards with more ceremony and physical trophies, etc, is interested in running the EN World awards as a meaningful and on-going set of awards. If I'm mistaken, and the ENnies are to remain a smallish, informal set of awards, then my suggested changes are probably unnecessary. In fact, it's probably unnecessary to have the judging panel at all... just open the vote up to the community at large right off the bat. But if my preception that the awards are intended to grow in significance (and, to a certain extent, formality) then I truly think increasing the scope of the awards to a medal system is the way to go. Nicole [/QUOTE]
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