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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 9578415" data-attributes="member: 7037141">Well, I never said it was going away altogether, I said that nothing (save for death I guess, even taxes are avoidable for the mega-rich) is inevitable. Beta-Max tapes, although superior to VHS (500 lines vs 240 lines in VHS tapes), were once thought to become the dominant media cassette, they are now forgotten and obsolete. It can still exist and no longer be relevant to current discourse (just look at NFT's).Well, where exactly are these wonderful technologies then? Where is your proof that these things are in fact generative-ai and not just being lumped in with the words "ai" in order to lump everything under the same umbrella? There are multiple types of ai, everything from narrow ai (focused on specific tasks), to those with more broad applications. You will have to be more specific as to exactly what you are talking about here.Not to mention that we are specifically talking about generative ai with regards to publishing ttrpg's, which has nothing at all to do with hypothetical tech that is still in development. We are talking about gen-ai that is here right now, not what they are promising you at some undetermined date. Empty promises from techbros don't carry relevance to publishing.Again, I am trying my best to stay on topic, which is to address the use of gen-ai in publishing ttrpg's, specifically for the Ennies. This will stray into other topics not covered by this thread. I would prefer to stay on the subject of publishing, and not on hypotheticals.I agree, mostly, except for the whole "consumer desire" thing. They are throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick. I don't think that focusing specifically on making tokens or maps will improve gen-ai in any way. Again, gen-ai cannot achieve specificity nor can it understand context, which is very important when you are making a legible map (just ask any cartographer).Yeah I get what you are saying, but think about it from their perspective. They are trying to find answers to this problem because it is a very new problem facing ttrpg publishing. Nobody really knows how to enforce it yet, and so long as there are bad actors willing to lie about it there will always be problems with gen-ai in the industry.So far they have discussed showing your work (proof via sketches and progress), which so far I think is one of the best possible solutions (so far). However, this has its own inherent problems. Fore example, a lot of art was made years before gen-ai ever existed, many artists were not (at the time) in the habit of keeping that many older "rough sketches," especially digital artists. As a freelancer you are typically going to have sketches and WIP's because as a client you need to see those things, as a solo artist with no one to report to this becomes more difficult.Furthermore, the "mob/ lynch" crowd already failed in this respect. If you remember, some youtube influencer guy who I would rather not name accussed the cover artist of the new dnd book of using gen-ai, and it backfired spectacularly. The artist showed his proof of work, and the matter was dropped, and I don't doubt that influencer lost some credibility in the process. When you make accusations like that, there are going to be consequences, especially if you just throw your opinion out there without any kind of proof.</blockquote>

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