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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LordEntrails" data-source="post: 9579161" data-attributes="member: 6804070">Think technologies not specific products. Yes Beta-Max tapes went away, but the PCM technology that was developed as part of them is still widely in use today. NFT's are a product, block-chains are a technology and still widely used in appropriate (i.e. banking) products. Products go away all the time. Though since the computer age, technologies really don't. Machine learning, large language models, and artificial neural networks are the technologies behind Gen AI, they pre-date what is now called Gen AI and will remain. Sure, maybe near-free quick text based image generation will go away. I know artists are hoping for such. But I don't see why. The technology will certainly remain.First, I said Gen and No-Gen AI. And you seem to acknowledge that their are many AI products other than specific tools that are used to create images that compete with your work. Since you asked for specific examples; At your local police department in products such as facial recognition and age progression. As part of your favorite web search tool. In the satellites that are going into space. On the battlefields in Ukraine. On Wall Street and the Canary Wharf in London. At your doctor's office or hospital for monitoring patient medications and symptom analysis.As for specific image and video gen-AI tools? All across the aerospace and defense industry. Some of it is used to train human operators. Some to train other AIs. Some as part of deployed systems such as target recognition.I'm not talking about future promises. But I can see why you are interested in talking about TTRPG publishing. But the same tools used in this narrow TTRPG niche are also being used in other industries, such as the wider publishing and entertainment industries (are we really going to ignore the AI tools already included in so many art tools?). As well as via state actors for the sixth domain of war. You can Google that for plenty of evidence of Gen-AI use there. And those actors, yea, there willing to spend money.In short, there are current uses of the same technology that the ENnies are looking to ban in other industries. And the R&D is not being funding by the TTRPG industry.Sure, so since so many other industries are spending vast amount of money on Gen AI, why do you think these tools won't stay available to the TTRPG publishing industry? We were never the target market, just an incidental user segment.Not yet. Maybe never. For your sake I hope not. But I don't see any technological roadblock for it to gain that capability. It will just take vast amounts of data and human teaching.IMO ENnies has done this in a half-assed and amateur method. Implementing a rule before they really even understand the implications and have no plausible means of evaluating it. Sure, they are coming up with ways now, but even those are horrible flawed. As you point out in your second paragraph here.The mob failed once. That doesn't mean they are going to keep failing. Besides, what harm was done even with just this failed example? How much pain and anguish did this one artist go through? how many hours of productive work or family time did this take away from the artist? And do you think this isn't going to show up when folks search out that artist in the future? And half of those people won't get the details, only that Artist X was accused of using AI. And they will shy away from that artist.See my comments above about technology. Product come and go. Some day ChatGPT, Jasper and Wondershare will be gone. But the technology won't and it will be in use. Where's your evidence that these technologies would ever go away?Let's change the tax code and make it retroactive. That's fair!Or the other way to think of this, guilty until proven innocent.</blockquote>

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