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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9580665" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>I'm taking the liberty of resequencing your post in order to batch some like pieces together, to avoid repetition in my response.</p><p></p><p>Now here I can speak from experience. I'll spoiler-block it so as not to bore everyone else... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]</p><p>While I would never claim to be among "the most talented musicians in the world" (I'm a bloody long way from it, in fact!), sometimes on my own and sometimes with others in a band I've recorded hundreds of original songs and yet I can't read a lick of sheet music and know virtually nothing about music theory. Most of those songs are ones I've "written" (I do the lyrics on paper, the tune's in my head) and I do it by the same principle as I'd want the art done: I take the song that's in my head and try to record it, mostly by trial and error.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes I only have a vague idea for any specifics going in, jsut a basic tune and some words, and whatever ends up getting recorded will be close enough. Other times I have an exact note-for-note sound-idea-style-beat-bassline-solo-etc. in mind and I/we then either succeed in replicating that or we don't.</p><p></p><p>What I'm looking for in the art realm is the exact opposite of your can't-read-sheet-music example, and would be more analagous to a couple of people I knew at different times many years ago who, when given the sheet music and a piano, could play the most complicated concertos perfectly, every time...and yet if you took away the sheet music they couldn't play a note. They were more processors than creators.</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>When I say "exactly this" I don't just mean a style or look or anything general; I'm talking about the positioning of each branch (maybe even each leaf!) on the trees in a forest scene, the position and amount of trees, the precise pattern of sun and shade in the scene, the angle of view, the colour of the moss on the rocks, the steepness of the nearby bank, and a thousand other small details that add up to the exact image I have in my head.</p><p></p><p>And yes, this is what makes it difficult to work with another person...and the advantage of AI is that in effect <em>I'm only working with myself</em>. The AI program is endlessly patient and can trial-and-error the image hundreds or even thousands of times while slowly closing in on - and ideally, maybe with some by-hand tweaking* along the way, eventually reaching - what I want the image to be.</p><p></p><p>* - I'm useless at doing digital images from scratch but seem to be OK when it comes to modifying an existing image.</p><p></p><p>Or, flip side, allow the existence of gen-AI to raise my expectations far beyond what they'd otherwise be. I can't afford the very best but I can afford free AI, and it opens the door to a whole wide swath of possibilities that previously would have been out of reach. I'd be an idiot not to take advantage of it while I can. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9580665, member: 29398"] I'm taking the liberty of resequencing your post in order to batch some like pieces together, to avoid repetition in my response. Now here I can speak from experience. I'll spoiler-block it so as not to bore everyone else... :) [SPOILER] While I would never claim to be among "the most talented musicians in the world" (I'm a bloody long way from it, in fact!), sometimes on my own and sometimes with others in a band I've recorded hundreds of original songs and yet I can't read a lick of sheet music and know virtually nothing about music theory. Most of those songs are ones I've "written" (I do the lyrics on paper, the tune's in my head) and I do it by the same principle as I'd want the art done: I take the song that's in my head and try to record it, mostly by trial and error. Sometimes I only have a vague idea for any specifics going in, jsut a basic tune and some words, and whatever ends up getting recorded will be close enough. Other times I have an exact note-for-note sound-idea-style-beat-bassline-solo-etc. in mind and I/we then either succeed in replicating that or we don't. What I'm looking for in the art realm is the exact opposite of your can't-read-sheet-music example, and would be more analagous to a couple of people I knew at different times many years ago who, when given the sheet music and a piano, could play the most complicated concertos perfectly, every time...and yet if you took away the sheet music they couldn't play a note. They were more processors than creators. [/SPOILER] When I say "exactly this" I don't just mean a style or look or anything general; I'm talking about the positioning of each branch (maybe even each leaf!) on the trees in a forest scene, the position and amount of trees, the precise pattern of sun and shade in the scene, the angle of view, the colour of the moss on the rocks, the steepness of the nearby bank, and a thousand other small details that add up to the exact image I have in my head. And yes, this is what makes it difficult to work with another person...and the advantage of AI is that in effect [I]I'm only working with myself[/I]. The AI program is endlessly patient and can trial-and-error the image hundreds or even thousands of times while slowly closing in on - and ideally, maybe with some by-hand tweaking* along the way, eventually reaching - what I want the image to be. * - I'm useless at doing digital images from scratch but seem to be OK when it comes to modifying an existing image. Or, flip side, allow the existence of gen-AI to raise my expectations far beyond what they'd otherwise be. I can't afford the very best but I can afford free AI, and it opens the door to a whole wide swath of possibilities that previously would have been out of reach. I'd be an idiot not to take advantage of it while I can. :) [/QUOTE]
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