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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Machiavelli" data-source="post: 3409884" data-attributes="member: 40964">Gravity.These plants grab you and hold you, but they still obey gravity like you do.Also, I really like the line that explicitly reminds you of something that's true all the time, anyway: DM discretion.  If you cast Entangle on, say, a single petunia, your enemies may be perhaps slightly prettier, but ultimately unhindered.  Cast it on the nastiest cacti you can imagine, and maybe you'll even get a bit of extra piercing damage per round!  Cast it on a Joshua tree, and that Strength check may get a +2 modifier to the DC.  Earthen tunnel lined only with rootlets and such?  The Reflex save may be eliminated (no place to dodge!) but then the Strength check DC may drop to a flat 5.Of course, the flat saves are a bad design decision, IMO.  They still bow to Rule Zero.</blockquote>