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Entangle - A Little Too Strong For A 1st Level Spell?
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<blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 3410856" data-attributes="member: 1164"><p>Depends what it does. IIRC, letting something that can not be crit all of a sudden be snuck attack is a no-no in my book, but at least constructs have bonus HP unlike undead and to use it it has to be cast from the character with sneak. Part of the system. More or less fine as long as the rogue can't sneak undead. The rogue gives up his character power for the cleric to gain character power against the undead. If you speak of death ward, complete and utter protection from a fourth level spell is not terrible, but it adds to the issue of <em>Party has a cleric / Party does not have a cleric.</em> It also adds to the problem of a necromancer always needing to open with a dispel magic. Plus it <em>protects,</em> it does not attack foes who use enegy drain.Protecting from mundane hot and cold has nothing to do with hampering a foe's speed. Got to have it prepped rather than on a scroll, caster has to have Line of Effect once the victims starts to fall, short range can matter a lot with this one and the spell does not reduce most foes ways of attacking you. Other than the Gavbeast.</p><p></p><p>Other than Golemstrike, none of the spells you used for examples hamper or attack foes. Limited application spells get a deal on levels nearly every time because they don't affect opponents. Most don't even effect combat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="frankthedm, post: 3410856, member: 1164"] Depends what it does. IIRC, letting something that can not be crit all of a sudden be snuck attack is a no-no in my book, but at least constructs have bonus HP unlike undead and to use it it has to be cast from the character with sneak. Part of the system. More or less fine as long as the rogue can't sneak undead. The rogue gives up his character power for the cleric to gain character power against the undead. If you speak of death ward, complete and utter protection from a fourth level spell is not terrible, but it adds to the issue of [I]Party has a cleric / Party does not have a cleric.[/I] It also adds to the problem of a necromancer always needing to open with a dispel magic. Plus it [I]protects,[/I] it does not attack foes who use enegy drain.Protecting from mundane hot and cold has nothing to do with hampering a foe's speed. Got to have it prepped rather than on a scroll, caster has to have Line of Effect once the victims starts to fall, short range can matter a lot with this one and the spell does not reduce most foes ways of attacking you. Other than the Gavbeast. Other than Golemstrike, none of the spells you used for examples hamper or attack foes. Limited application spells get a deal on levels nearly every time because they don't affect opponents. Most don't even effect combat. [/QUOTE]
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