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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 3414382" data-attributes="member: 224">That's rather presumptive.And false, besides.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I've seen it in play many times.&nbsp; I've used it in play many times.&nbsp; I've used it as a DM.&nbsp; I've used it as a player.&nbsp; I've seen many different groups of gamers use it......Etc.This isn't some twinked-out PrC build that's raved about on an Optimization Board.&nbsp; This is just one spell...a core spell....a very common Druid spell.Huh.Sleep takes 1 round to cast.&nbsp; Sleep only affects 4 HD of creatures, and they have to be closely spaced to boot.&nbsp; Sleep is useless against plants, undead, constructs, elementals, dragons.....The sleep spell is often called the &quot;detect HD&quot; spell.&nbsp; There's a reason for that.What level is your druid that a spell that affects only 4 HD would be useful???</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 3414382, member: 224"] That's rather presumptive. And false, besides. ;) I've seen it in play many times. I've used it in play many times. I've used it as a DM. I've used it as a player. I've seen many different groups of gamers use it...... Etc. This isn't some twinked-out PrC build that's raved about on an Optimization Board. This is just one spell...a core spell....a very common Druid spell. Huh. Sleep takes 1 round to cast. Sleep only affects 4 HD of creatures, and they have to be closely spaced to boot. Sleep is useless against plants, undead, constructs, elementals, dragons..... The sleep spell is often called the "detect HD" spell. There's a reason for that. What level is your druid that a spell that affects only 4 HD would be useful??? [/QUOTE]

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