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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3416911" data-attributes="member: 2525">Well thank goodness we can finally agree on that point at least.I think this is the heart of the argument.A first level spell?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; But a second level spell?&nbsp; Yeah, I think it would be.&nbsp; And given how many people in this thread who thought the &quot;outdoors&quot; portion was not that big of a limitation also thought entangle should be a second level spell instead of a first level one, that seems consistent with your theoretical outdoor-fireball logic.&nbsp; Limiting a spell to be outdoors only should in my opinion reduce the spell level by about one level.&nbsp; Reducing it by two levels (like you suggested with your outdoor-fireball) would be too much given the outdoors limitation.Yeah, I think that is a fair spell.&nbsp; It would only be effective on stone floors, which is somewhat common in dungeons but not all pervasive (much like plants are common but not pervasive outdoors).&nbsp; And, there is a very similar one to that one already I believe.&nbsp; It's the city-themed entangle spell that causes detritus to coalesce around foes.There is also the Impending Stones spell from Cityscape, which is close to the spell you just posted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3416911, member: 2525"] Well thank goodness we can finally agree on that point at least. I think this is the heart of the argument. A first level spell? No. But a second level spell? Yeah, I think it would be. And given how many people in this thread who thought the "outdoors" portion was not that big of a limitation also thought entangle should be a second level spell instead of a first level one, that seems consistent with your theoretical outdoor-fireball logic. Limiting a spell to be outdoors only should in my opinion reduce the spell level by about one level. Reducing it by two levels (like you suggested with your outdoor-fireball) would be too much given the outdoors limitation. Yeah, I think that is a fair spell. It would only be effective on stone floors, which is somewhat common in dungeons but not all pervasive (much like plants are common but not pervasive outdoors). And, there is a very similar one to that one already I believe. It's the city-themed entangle spell that causes detritus to coalesce around foes. There is also the Impending Stones spell from Cityscape, which is close to the spell you just posted. [/QUOTE]

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