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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 3420244" data-attributes="member: 545">While not helpless, his offensive potential dropped ~50% and he had to spend a MEA to retrieve some other weapon to boot.&nbsp; This Cloud Giant had but one magic two-handed huge warhammer.&nbsp; The combination of a 2-handed weapon with the 1 1/2 Str boost plus the pumped up Power Attack on top of Great Cleave made him a real threat -- he had a good chance on dropping 2 PCs per round.I have already named spells that are as powerful at higher levels and tend to be much easier to use.Your benchmarks when used dogmatically are simply silly.&nbsp; If I had a 1st level Dominate Monster spell, would you argue &quot;Oh but that only affects 1 creature and it has ranged Close, so it is not as good as Entangle&quot;?&nbsp; Of course not.Specialized spells tend to be powerful.&nbsp; Antiplant Shell is an absolutely kick ass spell of 4th(!) level...against plants.&nbsp; Oooooohhh....4th level!!!&nbsp; But this is a niche spell, so there is no point in whining about it being too potent.Likewise, Entangle is rated a specialized spell in the context of vanilla D&amp;D.&nbsp; That could easily be a poor design choice for your campaign.&nbsp; And perhaps it is even a poor choice for D&amp;D campaigns in general.&nbsp; But that is for you to establish through argumetns based on evidence and/or experience.&nbsp; My personal experience and the RAW say otherwise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 3420244, member: 545"] While not helpless, his offensive potential dropped ~50% and he had to spend a MEA to retrieve some other weapon to boot. This Cloud Giant had but one magic two-handed huge warhammer. The combination of a 2-handed weapon with the 1 1/2 Str boost plus the pumped up Power Attack on top of Great Cleave made him a real threat -- he had a good chance on dropping 2 PCs per round. I have already named spells that are as powerful at higher levels and tend to be much easier to use. Your benchmarks when used dogmatically are simply silly. If I had a 1st level Dominate Monster spell, would you argue "Oh but that only affects 1 creature and it has ranged Close, so it is not as good as Entangle"? Of course not. Specialized spells tend to be powerful. Antiplant Shell is an absolutely kick ass spell of 4th(!) level...against plants. Oooooohhh....4th level!!! But this is a niche spell, so there is no point in whining about it being too potent. Likewise, Entangle is rated a specialized spell in the context of vanilla D&D. That could easily be a poor design choice for your campaign. And perhaps it is even a poor choice for D&D campaigns in general. But that is for you to establish through argumetns based on evidence and/or experience. My personal experience and the RAW say otherwise. [/QUOTE]

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