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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3420375" data-attributes="member: 20805">Odd question..how many DMs require there to be at least light undergrowth within 5' for Entangle to be 'effective'? Seems to me people get all wrapped up in how powerful this spell is without considering the exact restrictions it has.&nbsp; The available vegitation has to be able to 'twist and wrap' around at least part of the targets and the only RAW method of determining if there is enough is to look at terrain features, which leads us to 'light undergrowth'...Light Forests have a 50% coverage with light undergrowth and as such using this requirement an Entangle would cover the entire area of effect.Outside of light forests you may have around 25% of coverage with light undergrowth meaning only half the area of effect... or less, and provide characters within the area of effect someplace to move to for safety.This combined with granting an appropriate size bonus to the Str check makes Entangle a perfectly appropriate spell, negating all the complaints of 'overpowered' found upthread...and since the spell description states &quot;Note: The DM may alter the effects of the spell somewhat, based on the nature of the entangling plants.&quot; this restriction is perfectly within the realm of 'RAW' <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Of course, I also think is the 'nature of the entangling plants' are vines with sharp poisenous thorns, there could be a lethal damage and/or poison potential&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /> And I also think there should be a series of spells built on Entangle that actually create the light underbrush as well...but thats for another thread {and forum}</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 3420375, member: 20805"] Odd question..how many DMs require there to be at least light undergrowth within 5' for Entangle to be 'effective'? Seems to me people get all wrapped up in how powerful this spell is without considering the exact restrictions it has. The available vegitation has to be able to 'twist and wrap' around at least part of the targets and the only RAW method of determining if there is enough is to look at terrain features, which leads us to 'light undergrowth'... Light Forests have a 50% coverage with light undergrowth and as such using this requirement an Entangle would cover the entire area of effect. Outside of light forests you may have around 25% of coverage with light undergrowth meaning only half the area of effect... or less, and provide characters within the area of effect someplace to move to for safety. This combined with granting an appropriate size bonus to the Str check makes Entangle a perfectly appropriate spell, negating all the complaints of 'overpowered' found upthread...and since the spell description states "Note: The DM may alter the effects of the spell somewhat, based on the nature of the entangling plants." this restriction is perfectly within the realm of 'RAW' :) Of course, I also think is the 'nature of the entangling plants' are vines with sharp poisenous thorns, there could be a lethal damage and/or poison potential :] And I also think there should be a series of spells built on Entangle that actually create the light underbrush as well...but thats for another thread {and forum} [/QUOTE]

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