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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 2387160" data-attributes="member: 545">Shut down?  Last time I checked giants are pretty darn good with those boulders.  Not as good as they are in melee, but you can't have everything.  Having run through a bit of the G-series updated to 3.0/3.5, we have found that Grease very efficiently confounds the most dangerous giants -- they ain't too intimidating once you take away their two-handed weapon.If the PCs are low level, then Sleep could easily result in wholesale slaughter, too.  If the PCs are not low level, they should either Web/Fog Cloud/Obscuring Mist or use pull out missile weapons or both.  It is atypical for PCs to not have superior ranged combat ability than the opposition.  (The fact your party may not be able to count on this suggests something about what scrolls you should have handy...)So far my experience says the otherwise.  I expect things to equalize more at higher levels, but I do not really see that Flame Strike as better than, say, Holy Smite.  My 5th level Druid would give his eyeteeth for the Sonic Burst spell...As I see it, it is about context.  I really could not care less if Entangle looks oddly potent for a 1st level spell.  What I ask is whether a character of level X can prepare a spell list whose potency is appropriate compared to other characters of the same level and different class.  The Druid happens to have two pretty good 1st level spells -- Produce Flame and Entangle.  If we are talking very low level characters, these are not better than the comparable options for the Cleric and Wizard, e.g. Sleep.  If we look at, say, a 5th level Druid I can see my 2nd level and 3rd levels offensive spells suck rocks when compared to the Cleric and Wizard.  My 1st level spells look attractive.  Good!   My overall offense is certainly not notable.  The fact that I am getting good mileage out 1st level spells in small portion of my combats is a trivial detail.  The DC 20 check is not unique to Entangle; we see this mechanic used for Web and a few other spells, too.  I think it is a lousy mechanic but I do not see this as a problem with Entanble in particular.</blockquote>

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