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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 2391547" data-attributes="member: 114">I agree with the Entangle is badly designed crowd. Every time I've seen it used it has totally dominated the combat, whether it was used by 3rd/4th level PCs against rampaging gnolls, or a mad druid against four 8th level PCs.The DC20 ability check is crazy. Make the DC equal to the spell DC would perhaps help some, or if they had explicitly given example DCs for different kinds of terrain.Arguments about it not being available to cast in certain circumstances are not valid ones for saying that the spell is fine; you have to measure up its usefulness in the situations where it can be cast to see how good it is. None of the arguments proposed here for why it is a fair and reasonable spell seem at all convincing to me.Web suffers from the same problems in terms of its ability to cripple *even those who make their save* - which is the key problem area IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 2391547, member: 114"] I agree with the Entangle is badly designed crowd. Every time I've seen it used it has totally dominated the combat, whether it was used by 3rd/4th level PCs against rampaging gnolls, or a mad druid against four 8th level PCs. The DC20 ability check is crazy. Make the DC equal to the spell DC would perhaps help some, or if they had explicitly given example DCs for different kinds of terrain. Arguments about it not being available to cast in certain circumstances are not valid ones for saying that the spell is fine; you have to measure up its usefulness in the situations where it can be cast to see how good it is. None of the arguments proposed here for why it is a fair and reasonable spell seem at all convincing to me. Web suffers from the same problems in terms of its ability to cripple *even those who make their save* - which is the key problem area IMO. [/QUOTE]

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