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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 2075659" data-attributes="member: 545"><p>It is a minor point in this scenario, but I advise strongly against this line of thinking. You can easily get PC deaths or a TPK based on a DM's guess that "your PC does not expect <em>this</em>, therefore you are Surprised". Do not go there.</p><p></p><p>Surprise only occurs when someone is attacked by an enemy they are completely unaware of. If they were aware of the approach of the Elves they cannot be surprised by any member of that party (unless someone uses Invisibility or Hide to sneak forward, etc.)</p><p></p><p>Logically, the party had the right to ask for Readied Actions once they were aware of the other party. Paranoid players in my gaming group will always ask for Readied Actions against spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>As you your particular concern about Entangle, my Druid PC has used the spell a few times and it seems to do squat for me. It is very random.</p><p></p><p>The PCs should have laid down an Obscuring Mist or two to buy time for the party to regroup. 3 of 6 party members Entangled should not be a big deal. No time like the present to teach these would be heroes a few harsh tactical lessons. If they cannot adjust to a few party members in an Entangle, they are going to have real trouble when they are hit by a well-placed Web, Spiked Growth, Stinking Cloud, or Wall of Fire.</p><p></p><p>Overall I think you played this out well. I would be much more careful about allowing a Surprise round, even for just one NPC.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 2075659, member: 545"] It is a minor point in this scenario, but I advise strongly against this line of thinking. You can easily get PC deaths or a TPK based on a DM's guess that "your PC does not expect [i]this[/i], therefore you are Surprised". Do not go there. Surprise only occurs when someone is attacked by an enemy they are completely unaware of. If they were aware of the approach of the Elves they cannot be surprised by any member of that party (unless someone uses Invisibility or Hide to sneak forward, etc.) Logically, the party had the right to ask for Readied Actions once they were aware of the other party. Paranoid players in my gaming group will always ask for Readied Actions against spellcasting. As you your particular concern about Entangle, my Druid PC has used the spell a few times and it seems to do squat for me. It is very random. The PCs should have laid down an Obscuring Mist or two to buy time for the party to regroup. 3 of 6 party members Entangled should not be a big deal. No time like the present to teach these would be heroes a few harsh tactical lessons. If they cannot adjust to a few party members in an Entangle, they are going to have real trouble when they are hit by a well-placed Web, Spiked Growth, Stinking Cloud, or Wall of Fire. Overall I think you played this out well. I would be much more careful about allowing a Surprise round, even for just one NPC. [/QUOTE]
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