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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9011825" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Depends on your party.&nbsp; The thing about shadow demons is they often surprise the party.&nbsp; This is hell on low-constitution parties that rely on defenses.I was playing a bladesinger once and she would go toe-to-toe with anything and did in fact go toe-to-toe with multiple demon princes at 10th level.&nbsp; She had to be able to cast spells though to get her defenses up and with a 10 constitution she did not have the hit points&nbsp; to survive if she didn't do that.When she was 8the level 3 shadow demons almost killed her when they got a surprise round and beat her initiative.&nbsp; Once she got up bladesong and protection from evil the fight was over, but she was almost dead by the time she got to do that late in round 2, and that is even with a shield guardian taking half herdamage.If instead of 3 CR4 Shadow Demons, that was say 3 CR 8 Hezros and she won initiative she would have mopped the floor with them, probably even by herself without any help.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9011825, member: 7030563"] Depends on your party. The thing about shadow demons is they often surprise the party. This is hell on low-constitution parties that rely on defenses. I was playing a bladesinger once and she would go toe-to-toe with anything and did in fact go toe-to-toe with multiple demon princes at 10th level. She had to be able to cast spells though to get her defenses up and with a 10 constitution she did not have the hit points to survive if she didn't do that. When she was 8the level 3 shadow demons almost killed her when they got a surprise round and beat her initiative. Once she got up bladesong and protection from evil the fight was over, but she was almost dead by the time she got to do that late in round 2, and that is even with a shield guardian taking half herdamage. If instead of 3 CR4 Shadow Demons, that was say 3 CR 8 Hezros and she won initiative she would have mopped the floor with them, probably even by herself without any help. [/QUOTE]

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