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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2836536" data-attributes="member: 31734">If you're not interested in the discussion, then just leave.&nbsp; You seem to be interested enough to impune my arguments without substantiation though.&nbsp;Anything is possible if the spell description defines it as such.&nbsp;Okay, let's pick apart the spell.&nbsp; The first sentence that I see that's important is: &quot;Creatures caught within a web become entangled among the gluey fibers.&quot;&nbsp; I think a valid rephrasing of this is: &quot;Creatures subject to the web become entangled among the gluey fibers.&quot;&nbsp; Agreed?&nbsp; Thus, at a minimum, anyone within the web is entangled.Then there's the main paragraph we're concerned with, as duplicated below (my emphasis, to be discussed later).&nbsp;The two underlined sentences are what you claim applies when someone enters a web.&nbsp; The bolded part of those sentences are why I'm saying that that interpretation means those people automatically make their save.&nbsp; These bolded parts have as much weight as the phrase &quot;when the spell is cast&quot;, and IMO even less weight when considering the rule I quoted on &quot;being subject to&quot;.In other words, if you want to just impose the entangled condition, that's fine.&nbsp; I can fully accept that.&nbsp; But, if you want to impose the entangled condition plus the special movement rules, you'd have to ignore the phrases &quot;If this save succeeds&quot; and &quot;Once loose&quot;.Hopefully, I've made my point crystal clear and it's not just a 'technicality'.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 2836536, member: 31734"] If you're not interested in the discussion, then just leave. You seem to be interested enough to impune my arguments without substantiation though. Anything is possible if the spell description defines it as such. Okay, let's pick apart the spell. The first sentence that I see that's important is: "Creatures caught within a web become entangled among the gluey fibers." I think a valid rephrasing of this is: "Creatures [I]subject to the[/I] web become entangled among the gluey fibers." Agreed? Thus, at a minimum, anyone within the web is entangled. Then there's the main paragraph we're concerned with, as duplicated below (my emphasis, to be discussed later). The two underlined sentences are what you claim applies when someone enters a web. The bolded part of those sentences are why I'm saying that that interpretation means those people automatically make their save. These bolded parts have as much weight as the phrase "when the spell is cast", and IMO even less weight when considering the rule I quoted on "being subject to". In other words, if you want to just impose the entangled condition, that's fine. I can fully accept that. But, if you want to impose the entangled condition plus the special movement rules, you'd have to ignore the phrases "If this save succeeds" and "Once loose". Hopefully, I've made my point crystal clear and it's not just a 'technicality'. [/QUOTE]

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