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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2837143" data-attributes="member: 31734">So, now my definition is "strained" and I disagree with the "obvious" use of the spell?  Wow, loading up on negatives today, aren't you?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Your interpretation is not obvious.  If it were, I would not be arguing against it.  Moreover, for your information, I find my interpretation the obvious one.  I do see relevance in all three interpretations, however. Then you should not use words loaded with negative connotations.  I'm used to seeing such comments, though, so I don't take offense.  Just take this as constructive criticism of the way you word your rebuttals. Okay, let's agree on that.  In that context, however, I personally think it's obvious that someone entering the web should be required to make a save because they are subject to it. I have not ignored it and yes I am saying that because it's the best way to interpret "being subject to." Unless a save is rolled, the only movement rules in a Web are due to entanglement.  There are no other rules that you can draw upon. If you refuse to require a saving throw, then I think the only interpretation you can have is to merely impose the entangled condition.  You cannot use any other movement rules from the spell description.  Like I said earlier, that's an acceptable interpretation. If this is the case, then you must adopt the entangled condition as the sole effect.  The entire main paragraph must be ignored as it pertains to saving throws only. Only enough to disagree.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I'm pretty sure you understand my point by now and I have nothing new to add or to convince you.  Unless you think you can convince me that the main paragraph does not require a save, I'd say we're at an impasse.  I feel confident in my stance both from a rules perspective and from an 'obvious intent' perspective.  The middle ground is acceptable as well.</blockquote>

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