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<blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 900456" data-attributes="member: 5"><p>I think we're going to keep seeing little bits and pieces about Klingons chasing Archer in episodes here and there until they clear Archer of the charges. I don't think that Klingons are the forgiving type, nor do I think they like to let things simmer on the back burner. They'll be dogging him with whatever resources they can spare. Even when they don't use them, I think they'll be mentioned, at least in an off-handed way. I think it is a good thing and helps to raise the stakes of being out in deep space. Perpetual one-shot episodes with no long lasting consequences doesn't seem very compelling to me.</p><p></p><p>Part of the problem is that we can't sum up a history with a few pithy citations like they did in TOS and all series afterwards. It's becoming increasingly obvious that the "Vulcan Database" is fairly sketchy, probably due to them either holding back or being so involved in a near-war with the Andorians that it isn't all that well-developed. In fact, not having an extensive database may be the reason the Vulcans <em>are</em> holding back. Perhaps they see the Humans as stepping off into space and being natural leaders, a role they felt they were destined to play.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, two seasons from now when they want to start building the Federation and they want to cite various conflicts with the Klingons as reasons for doing this, all of these snippets are going to need to have been the groundwork for such a leap.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Howdy, New-Groom. BTW, shoulda got married at center ice, man. Where's your sense of class? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> )</p><p></p><p>Anyway, it would have been their heads if they had left old plotlines with the Klingons unresolved and of course T'Pol has to agonize over going against the Vulcan High Command. I have no idea how they would have her along if she didn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Forty-five minutes of showtime equaled about four months of timeline time. I believe the trip to the Expanse was said to be three months which accounts for the final fifteen minutes (approx). If the network only gave them one hour and they managed to squeeze seven months of exposition (and a hell of a lot of action) into that time I'd have to say they did a lot more than most episodes of any ST series ever did. I was impressed how well they moved things along and stil had it all make sense. In the end it looks like they aren't going to allow themselves to be saddled with the old one year equals one season like all of the others. I imagine that some of the usual diehards may not like it but if they're going to show the early formation of the Federation by the end of season seven that's how it will probably have to be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd rather not have an hour of "sameness" and am glad they mixed the exposition with action and "newness" as well as they did. The TCW isn't just going to be wiped away, it seems. I think it's very cool and ambitious of them to integrate several big arcs into the series. Klingon Vengeance, TCW, Xindi Problem....very ambitious, indeed! As to how much they've given us on the new direction, how much do people need? It'll unfold over the next few seasons and I think that's much better than completely outlining the situation all at once.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Although not a traditional cliffhanger, it seems to have gotten you very curious. The second hour, as with all cliffhangers, comes as the first episode of next season, doesn't it...? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> And let's face it, they are without any doubt trying to give us something new while not completely shattering the ever-more-delicate craniums of the canonites. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's already been renewed for next year, so I do not think we'll be seeing the cancelation axe all too soon. I think we'll be seeing one of the best ST series ever. One that is willing to bend the rules a bit in various ways to give us something new, while still keeping some of the traditions alive for old timers like myself. No waste for this kid who used to watch as a child when Roddenbury first talked some network execs into putting Sci-Fi into primetime. It's kinda funny in a way that most of the people who call themselves Trek fans didn't even start watching until just after it had been cancelled and was run as a weekend filler during the daytime (and most not until it got into it's second round of reruns years later). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They mentioned that it would take seven weeks to return to earth, IIRC. I believe that after they had visited the surface and he pointed out the "old movie house" they returned to refit and repair the Enterprise and they used the "memorial service was two months back" line to represent the time it took to repair the ship, after they had gotten back and visited the surface. That's the impression of things I got anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark, post: 900456, member: 5"] I think we're going to keep seeing little bits and pieces about Klingons chasing Archer in episodes here and there until they clear Archer of the charges. I don't think that Klingons are the forgiving type, nor do I think they like to let things simmer on the back burner. They'll be dogging him with whatever resources they can spare. Even when they don't use them, I think they'll be mentioned, at least in an off-handed way. I think it is a good thing and helps to raise the stakes of being out in deep space. Perpetual one-shot episodes with no long lasting consequences doesn't seem very compelling to me. Part of the problem is that we can't sum up a history with a few pithy citations like they did in TOS and all series afterwards. It's becoming increasingly obvious that the "Vulcan Database" is fairly sketchy, probably due to them either holding back or being so involved in a near-war with the Andorians that it isn't all that well-developed. In fact, not having an extensive database may be the reason the Vulcans [i]are[/i] holding back. Perhaps they see the Humans as stepping off into space and being natural leaders, a role they felt they were destined to play. Anyway, two seasons from now when they want to start building the Federation and they want to cite various conflicts with the Klingons as reasons for doing this, all of these snippets are going to need to have been the groundwork for such a leap. (Howdy, New-Groom. BTW, shoulda got married at center ice, man. Where's your sense of class? :p ) Anyway, it would have been their heads if they had left old plotlines with the Klingons unresolved and of course T'Pol has to agonize over going against the Vulcan High Command. I have no idea how they would have her along if she didn't. Forty-five minutes of showtime equaled about four months of timeline time. I believe the trip to the Expanse was said to be three months which accounts for the final fifteen minutes (approx). If the network only gave them one hour and they managed to squeeze seven months of exposition (and a hell of a lot of action) into that time I'd have to say they did a lot more than most episodes of any ST series ever did. I was impressed how well they moved things along and stil had it all make sense. In the end it looks like they aren't going to allow themselves to be saddled with the old one year equals one season like all of the others. I imagine that some of the usual diehards may not like it but if they're going to show the early formation of the Federation by the end of season seven that's how it will probably have to be. I'd rather not have an hour of "sameness" and am glad they mixed the exposition with action and "newness" as well as they did. The TCW isn't just going to be wiped away, it seems. I think it's very cool and ambitious of them to integrate several big arcs into the series. Klingon Vengeance, TCW, Xindi Problem....very ambitious, indeed! As to how much they've given us on the new direction, how much do people need? It'll unfold over the next few seasons and I think that's much better than completely outlining the situation all at once. Although not a traditional cliffhanger, it seems to have gotten you very curious. The second hour, as with all cliffhangers, comes as the first episode of next season, doesn't it...? ;) And let's face it, they are without any doubt trying to give us something new while not completely shattering the ever-more-delicate craniums of the canonites. :p It's already been renewed for next year, so I do not think we'll be seeing the cancelation axe all too soon. I think we'll be seeing one of the best ST series ever. One that is willing to bend the rules a bit in various ways to give us something new, while still keeping some of the traditions alive for old timers like myself. No waste for this kid who used to watch as a child when Roddenbury first talked some network execs into putting Sci-Fi into primetime. It's kinda funny in a way that most of the people who call themselves Trek fans didn't even start watching until just after it had been cancelled and was run as a weekend filler during the daytime (and most not until it got into it's second round of reruns years later). :D They mentioned that it would take seven weeks to return to earth, IIRC. I believe that after they had visited the surface and he pointed out the "old movie house" they returned to refit and repair the Enterprise and they used the "memorial service was two months back" line to represent the time it took to repair the ship, after they had gotten back and visited the surface. That's the impression of things I got anyway. [/QUOTE]
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