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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 438609" data-attributes="member: 177">Mark,I ask this with some humor - What planet are you from? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'll admit that the internet crowd is largely ignored these days - the demise of Farscape stands as pretty sure evidence of that.  However, I'll have to disagree with your contentions about DS9.  I don't see how you can say that DS9 was the worst of the series, when there's Voyager stitting there in front of you.Maybe you didn't like the characters.  Maybe you didn't personally like where the plot went.  Maybe you didn'tl ike them not staying to "one true vision" for the series.  But as a piece of drama, DS9 was superior to Voyager in every way.Whether you liked them or not, the DS9 characters were all fully utilized.  They actually worked as an ensemble, every character saw significant development,and the characters largely drove the plot.  As opposed to Voyager, where the enseble rapidly turned into the Doctor, Seven of Nine, and the Captain, with all else as backdrop.  And one of those three didn't even notably develop - the captain did not grow as a character, which didn't really matter because the plot wasn't diven by the characters anyway.How, then, is DS9 the worst?  It wasn't DS9 that left the world thinking about whether there would or would not be another series after that...It isn't DS9 that suffered by the production people listening too much.  It was Voyager that was ruined by listening too little.  By all reports I have read, Voyager suffered from a simple problem - the Producers had a formula, and they were going to stick to it, come hell or high water.  The actors complained, the writers complained, the audience complained. The producers stuck to the formula.  The human characters had to be made "vanilla" to allow the aliens to seem more alien and interesting.  They would not allow much character development, as that would mean eventually modification of the formula.  This means the characters don't grow, and must have the plot inflicted upon them.This is not to say that Voyager did not have some really fine episodes.  It did.  The actors, writers,and directors were all good, talented people.  And, when allowed to show their stuff, they did so.  But, on the whole they weren't allowed, so while there were good episodes, the series as the whole was horribly weak drama, by comparison.</blockquote>

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