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<blockquote data-quote="Femerus the Gnecro" data-source="post: 439180" data-attributes="member: 2381"><p>Beyond the fact that DS9 and Voyager are set in the same universe, I really don't see how the two can be compared using the same bar to measure the elusive feature known as 'quality.'</p><p></p><p>I think most of the contention between the two series stems from the fact that Voyager is an episodic drama, while DS9 moves from start to finish as a coherant whole, with more detailed and well thought-out plot arcs spanning entire seasons (as opposed to two or three episodes).</p><p></p><p>Thus, people who prefer episodic series should probably compare Voyager to TNG, as they both shared similar elements in terms of production and direction (I don't think anyone will disagree that Voyager pales in comparison with TNG). People with short attention spans and/or a dislike of DS9's heavier, darker tone are more apt to focus on the show's negative aspects rather than appreciating it for what it is: namely, a remarkable piece of contiguous fiction.</p><p></p><p>That being said, I don't understand why straying from a series' original premise is necessarily a bad thing. The earlier seasons of DS9, while not as action-packed as the last 5, are still pretty good all things considered. They're certainly more coherant than the first two seasons of TNG, which boast some of the silliest trek episodes since the original series. </p><p></p><p>As for captain comparisons... I stress again that these shows were being approached from totally different creative directions. Comparing Janeway (looney toons) to Sisko (EN-UN-CI-A-TION!) is an excercise in futility. </p><p></p><p>Speaking of Sisko, I have to disagree that he was the 'focal' point for character development throughout the series. From my perspective, the characters developed in pairs, Sisko only directly effecting the development of Jake, Dax and to some extent, Kira. Julien, Miles, Odo, Worf, Quark, Rom, etc all developed quite nicely in regards to each other, without The Sisko really entering into it. </p><p></p><p>By the way, how exactly do you figure that Sisko's emissary status is indicative of his being 'untrue' to his character?</p><p></p><p>-F</p><p></p><p><em>edit: dang! umbran pre-empted some of my points!</em> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Femerus the Gnecro, post: 439180, member: 2381"] Beyond the fact that DS9 and Voyager are set in the same universe, I really don't see how the two can be compared using the same bar to measure the elusive feature known as 'quality.' I think most of the contention between the two series stems from the fact that Voyager is an episodic drama, while DS9 moves from start to finish as a coherant whole, with more detailed and well thought-out plot arcs spanning entire seasons (as opposed to two or three episodes). Thus, people who prefer episodic series should probably compare Voyager to TNG, as they both shared similar elements in terms of production and direction (I don't think anyone will disagree that Voyager pales in comparison with TNG). People with short attention spans and/or a dislike of DS9's heavier, darker tone are more apt to focus on the show's negative aspects rather than appreciating it for what it is: namely, a remarkable piece of contiguous fiction. That being said, I don't understand why straying from a series' original premise is necessarily a bad thing. The earlier seasons of DS9, while not as action-packed as the last 5, are still pretty good all things considered. They're certainly more coherant than the first two seasons of TNG, which boast some of the silliest trek episodes since the original series. As for captain comparisons... I stress again that these shows were being approached from totally different creative directions. Comparing Janeway (looney toons) to Sisko (EN-UN-CI-A-TION!) is an excercise in futility. Speaking of Sisko, I have to disagree that he was the 'focal' point for character development throughout the series. From my perspective, the characters developed in pairs, Sisko only directly effecting the development of Jake, Dax and to some extent, Kira. Julien, Miles, Odo, Worf, Quark, Rom, etc all developed quite nicely in regards to each other, without The Sisko really entering into it. By the way, how exactly do you figure that Sisko's emissary status is indicative of his being 'untrue' to his character? -F [i]edit: dang! umbran pre-empted some of my points![/i] :D [/QUOTE]
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