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<blockquote data-quote="scholz" data-source="post: 749470" data-attributes="member: 10028">I don't think a Sorcerer is anywhere near as powerful. Take a 5th level caster.Mage - 20 SL - 14MPSuppose I take four spell-lists.Compel (animal, humanoid, giant, magical beast). I still have 16 other spell-lists to choose from. I can duplicate the effects of the following spells:Charm PersonSleepCause Fear (Repel)Hold PersonSuggestionCharm MonsterHold Monster+Attract (Sympathy)+Discord (Confusion)+Dance (Otto's Irresistable Dance)+Debauchery+Forget+Sing (Tasha's Hideous Laughter)By comparison a 5th level Sorceror gets 4 first and 2 second level spells, total. So the sorceror could take about half the effects and no other spells. As I go up levels, these spell effect all get more powerful so I am not limited as per Sleep) DCs increase, number affected, etc...Whereas the Sorcerers spells are stuck at whatever she gets them at.A wizard might have all those spells, and no limitations on how many additional spells (apart from spell book size). But, of course, the Mage can cast any of these in any combination. Also Compel has no variable limitations on how many beings it can affect (unlike Sleep). The only thing I am not sure about is whether the compel affects multiple creatures. The descriptions all use the plural (creatures) but maybe that was unintentional. Even then though, one could get Mass Compulsion of the same creatures and have considerably more options. S</blockquote>

[QUOTE="scholz, post: 749470, member: 10028"] I don't think a Sorcerer is anywhere near as powerful. Take a 5th level caster. Mage - 20 SL - 14MP Suppose I take four spell-lists. Compel (animal, humanoid, giant, magical beast). I still have 16 other spell-lists to choose from. I can duplicate the effects of the following spells: Charm Person Sleep Cause Fear (Repel) Hold Person Suggestion Charm Monster Hold Monster +Attract (Sympathy) +Discord (Confusion) +Dance (Otto's Irresistable Dance) +Debauchery +Forget +Sing (Tasha's Hideous Laughter) By comparison a 5th level Sorceror gets 4 first and 2 second level spells, total. So the sorceror could take about half the effects and no other spells. As I go up levels, these spell effect all get more powerful so I am not limited as per Sleep) DCs increase, number affected, etc...Whereas the Sorcerers spells are stuck at whatever she gets them at. A wizard might have all those spells, and no limitations on how many additional spells (apart from spell book size). But, of course, the Mage can cast any of these in any combination. Also Compel has no variable limitations on how many beings it can affect (unlike Sleep). The only thing I am not sure about is whether the compel affects multiple creatures. The descriptions all use the plural (creatures) but maybe that was unintentional. Even then though, one could get Mass Compulsion of the same creatures and have considerably more options. S [/QUOTE]

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