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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Silam" data-source="post: 9867282" data-attributes="member: 7055898">For what it’s worth, I agree that my own arguments aren’t very convincing <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😅" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f605.png" title="Grinning face with sweat    :sweat_smile:" data-shortname=":sweat_smile:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> …I guess this discussion is circling around the enigma of the ray of absolute disintegration getting flung at the impenetrable barrier.Gods are about superlatives taken to the extreme. Omniscient, omnipotent, immortal, etc… and yet, these absolute abilities only really work in a monotheistic faith (to each their own, but it’s not my cup of tea).In a more traditional polytheistic and even polypantheonic setting, then of course most of these absolute abilities cannot in fact live up to the hype in the marketing material. You can’t have two gods, one of which has the power of life and death over all beings, and the other which has the power of immortality. At least one (but likely both) of these must have a limit to their power, in order to solve the inherent contradiction in the interaction of their powers.That is where your idea of divine ranks is a useful construct. It provides fine prints: Immortality [from lower ranks], Power of life and death [over creatures of lower ranks], etc.Indeed. Immortality graded on a curve, perhaps?Well, last time I played the epic campaigns I hinted at in the thread was in 3.5e about 15 years ago. So perhaps I am just 5 years away from the epiphany you’re experiencing now <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😁" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f601.png" title="Beaming face with smiling eyes    :grin:" data-shortname=":grin:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />Personally, I lean a bit more towards @Clint_L’s take… with the minor difference that I don’t mind wiping out an army once in a while, but for the most part, I’m not actually interested in playing divine politics.To me, epic levels are the equivalent of Civilization games’ One More Turn where you just keep going a bit more even though there isn’t really a point anymore. The victory condition is already gotten. Maybe you try to stack some other different victory condition on top just for the heck of it. But I’m not really looking for dramatic power ups that make my already epic character seem like it was actually weak all along until it awoke the Rinnegan. The 2-3-4% increase in power is actually a feature, not a bug: it provides a feeling of continuity, a possibility of elongating the fun just a little more, without actually destroying the flavor of the character & party that makes us want to play them a little more in the first place.But in any case… I’m a fan of options. It’s good for options to be available, and not everybody needs to flip on every switch in the cockpit. But those who want to lay on on the dashboard and roll on it until every little button is lit up like a Christmas tree, I say to them: you go right ahead my good sir. May you break through Mach 10 like Tom Cruise in the F35 <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤝" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f91d.png" title="Handshake    :handshake:" data-shortname=":handshake:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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