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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Telor" data-source="post: 791184" data-attributes="member: 1786">My group and I got into a long discussion tonight about the flaws of the ELH; one of us is very close to 19 so we have a small reason to worry.The main topics we discussed:20Wiz/20Fig looks very different than a 20Fig/20Wiz explain in-game terms with logical and believable reasons why these two people would look any different.Epic Spells are worse than level 9 spells. Look at all that is required to make and cast the Ruin spell, compare that to MeteorSwarm. While Epic Spells can exceed PHB spells and people must be powerful to wield such spells, how can any 'level 10' spell be blatantly less powerful (and cost a ridiculous amount of resources) than level 9 spells?Say I'm a 15Sor/5Acm (archmage) why on Toril do I have to take 5 levels of Sor before I may receive my Bonus Epic Sorcerer Feats? Let's see what those 5 levels of Sor give me after I'm 20... woohoo my familiar got better!! Yep, think that's it.Lastly, Everyone's Saves and BAB (yeah, I know, not exactly BAB) go up every other level while level has nothing to do with Spell DCs. How does a level 40 Wiz hinder (let alone defeat) a level 40 Fig? The question here is, as a fighter goes up he improves in basic combat and gains feats, as a caster goes up he gains feats. Hmm... seem to be missing something. Telling a caster to enter melee is like telling a fighter to cast a spell, so please don't bother waxing poetic that a level 40 Sor has at least a BAB of 20/15.This isn't a 'got the shaft' thread. We are seriously seeking answers as to why it is ok for all casters to receive very little improvement. Obviously this game isn't designed for one vs one combat so I am not seeking balance, paper-rock-scissors, type stuff.  Some classes are going to be more powerful against others, which is extremely realistic.However the simple fact is, I carry a set amount of weight surrounded by my level 20 brothers. Why do I carry less weight as well level up together? Casters essentially become more useless as we gain levels.I'm sure this stuff has come up before, however, I do not have the search feature yet. If you'd rather point me to knowledge instead of spewing out stuff already stated, please feel free.Thank you for any help.</blockquote>

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