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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 794862" data-attributes="member: 1622">I have to reiterate what Hashmalum said.  No 20th level Wizard, Cleric, or Sorcerer should have +4 to his spellcraft check.  If one does, obviously he was made without thinking about epic levels, and you just need to allow the guy to re-write the character a little bit, to account for the choices necessary for using the ELH.And +90? How on earth do you get +90?   Lemme guess - it's from a bunch of magic items that give +30 each, right?  DMs should know better than to allow those type of magic items.  The whole +x to a skill should be capped at +5 and costed like magic armor.  The DMG is not very good at balancing custom magic items, which is why so many DMs don't allow them at all.A generic spellcasting character who focuses on spellcasting should have  24 ranks at 21st level and a stat around 10-15 greater than its starting value (depending on how easy it is to get inherent bonuses in your campaign).  That means, assuming a high stat of 16, and +12 to the stat (call it 5 from levels and 6 from an item and +1 inherent) most of those characters will have about a +33 to their spellcraft check, +-2 depending on the power level of the campaign.  I think having a range of 31-35 for a spellcraft check is fairly well defined.  If dedicated spellcasters are outside that range by a large amount, something isn't balanced in your campaign, or the character wasn't planned with epic levels in mind.-The Souljourner</blockquote>

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